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Old 05-04-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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This is another crime by the United States government against the Indian people. These are not commercial fishermen. They fish to eat. No fish= no food for them. Even after all these years we are still trying to exterminate the Indians from the face of Earth it seems.
Magistrate adjourns Alaska Native subsistence fishermen trials until May | KTOO
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Does this mean no one but commercial fishermen can fish for king salmon? I'm trying to figure out why just native americans can't do it? Could you or I do it?
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Fort Payne Alabama
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You must have read a different article than the link you posted??? No where does it say the indians are starving or even hungry, they want to catch King Salmon for spiritual reasons..........
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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"Spiritual right to fish" ? The judges has to decide? Who ever is first in line gets served first. The natives were here first. I don't get the idea of the spiritual issue. It's not a spiritual issue it is a physical issue. If the king salmon run is weak the natives are not responsible for this. Heavy commercial fishing has to be curtained for a time...What natives take is tiny compared to the big boats.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:04 AM
 
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Did you even read the article or just jump straight to your government conspiracy theory about extermination? They claimed to have a "spiritual right" to fish when there was a ban to protect the salmon run. Hardly the same thing as your fictional subject. Even they didn't claim they would starve from this ban, they just want to fish when they want to fish without following the same rules as everyone else.

A Bethel Magistrate Judge has adjourned the trials of nearly two dozen Alaska Native subsistence fishermen until May, saying that’s when he’ll rule on whether they have a spiritual right to fish for king salmon when restrictions are in place.

The Yukon-Kuskokwim fishermen were cited for illegal fishing last summer during a weak king run.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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Did you even read the article or just jump straight to your government conspiracy theory about extermination? They claimed to have a "spiritual right" to fish when there was a ban to protect the salmon run. Hardly the same thing as your fictional subject. Even they didn't claim they would starve from this ban, they just want to fish when they want to fish without following the same rules as everyone else.

A Bethel Magistrate Judge has adjourned the trials of nearly two dozen Alaska Native subsistence fishermen until May, saying that’s when he’ll rule on whether they have a spiritual right to fish for king salmon when restrictions are in place.

The Yukon-Kuskokwim fishermen were cited for illegal fishing last summer during a weak king run.
The Indians should NEVER EVER be banned from fishing or hunting. It is their way of life. They don't have Dominicks or Jewell to run to and buy their fish.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The Indians lost; the south lost. The spoils go to the winner. It's high time both accept that.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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This is another crime by the United States government against the Indian people. These are not commercial fishermen. They fish to eat. No fish= no food for them. Even after all these years we are still trying to exterminate the Indians from the face of Earth it seems.
Magistrate adjourns Alaska Native subsistence fishermen trials until May | KTOO
Bull, the tribal government itself supported the moratorium because fish stocks were so low so what we have here are two dozen malcontents who not only ignored the tribe's own elected government but also the Alaska state government and the US Federal government. They have no right to do that especially when the majority of the people in their own tribe don't want them to.

It's not the government vs the Indians but the Indians themselves vs one tiny group who want to ignore everyone else.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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This is another crime by the United States government against the Indian people. These are not commercial fishermen. They fish to eat. No fish= no food for them. Even after all these years we are still trying to exterminate the Indians from the face of Earth it seems.
Magistrate adjourns Alaska Native subsistence fishermen trials until May | KTOO
If you think that's bad, you should see what lawmakers in Wisconsin did by bypassing tribal objections to a new mining operation. The mining will virtually destroy Wisconsin wetlands.

The real cost of an iron mine in Wisconsin : Dunn County News

Wisconsin Assembly passes sweeping mining bill
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:34 PM
 
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Bull, the tribal government itself supported the moratorium because fish stocks were so low so what we have here are two dozen malcontents who not only ignored the tribe's own elected government but also the Alaska state government and the US Federal government. They have no right to do that especially when the majority of the people in their own tribe don't want them to.

It's not the government vs the Indians but the Indians themselves vs one tiny group who want to ignore everyone else.

THIS!

It's the same thing over and over again. Whenever the Indians are held up to be the great protectors of the land/environment/resources I just want to puke.

Their "spiritual right" to fish does not mean they wish drop a line to catch a King Salmon to sacrifice in a ceremony to the gods then feed their family with the offered fish. it means they want to crank up the diesel powered boat and gill net the crap out of Salmon and where do you think that salmon goes, not back to the res to feed the natives it get's sold and anyone who does not believe that can buy the bridge I own across Okeechobee Lake for a mere donation to my "self betterment society" ~ charity receipts available upon request.

You and I are prevented from fishing with trident spears but they can string a net across a whole river and "trap" every single Salmon making a run and THEY are the spiritual fishermen? What a load of hogswallop. Without outside regulation they would have decimated every species that has ever come within 100 miles of them since applying skills they learned from watching us.

It is their spiritual leanings that has them now using snowmobiles and other modern methods to hunt? Yeah right!

"They" learned our methods well but resist the rules that apply to restrain using our methods from overkill.
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