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Old 05-06-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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The UK hasn't had mass immigration ever in its history prior to the 1960s. This is a new thing for them and the British can be quite xenophobic, much more so than Americans.

However what's going on there is little different than what is going on in the US, where areas are increasingly Balkanized not only along race/ethnic lines but socioeconomic ones as well.
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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I didn't know the Commonwealth worked like that. It makes good sense now that I think about it.
It only really happened between 1948 and 1962. After that, there were increasingly stringent restriction on Commonwealth immigration into the UK.
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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The UK hasn't had mass immigration ever in its history prior to the 1960s. This is a new thing for them and the British can be quite xenophobic, much more so than Americans.

However what's going on there is little different than what is going on in the US, where areas are increasingly Balkanized not only along race/ethnic lines but socioeconomic ones as well.
It depends what you mean by 'mass'.

In the late 1800s, some 300,000 eastern European jews came to the UK. Several million Irish have immigrated into the UK and they continue to do so today. And, today, there are 350,000 direct descendants of Italians who immigrated into the UK.
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Old 05-06-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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]Segregation is a fact of life[/b]. Those who can afford to live on the upper east side of NYC are segregated by virtue of their income. Those who have no choice but to live in Brownsville are segregated by their lack of income.
Artists often choose to live in areas populated with other artists. People with kids choose to live in areas populated by families with kids.

To the extent that people can choose to live where they want to live, segregation is fine.

It is only when someone who has the ways and means to live where they want and is denied that opportunity by outside forces that segregation is a problem.
Skin color?
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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It depends what you mean by 'mass'.

In the late 1800s, some 300,000 eastern European jews came to the UK. Several million Irish have immigrated into the UK and they continue to do so today. And, today, there are 350,000 direct descendants of Italians who immigrated into the UK.
You could argue that their culture is not as different from the native British culture as Caribbean, Asian, and African immigrants. They also did not come in such large numbers, aside from the Irish, who nowadays blend seamlessly into the UK. You wouldn't know an Irishman from an Englishmen until they opened their mouths.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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Jamaicans speak English. English is the official language of Jamaica. If race had nothing to do with it, then why were so many racial slurs used to describe Jamaicans? Why were there saying slogans like "a White Britain"?
Languages are not the only part that makes up the different cultures. I am not saying that racism doesn't exit just that is more about cultural differences and language barriers.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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No; he said multiculturalism was fine. The links purporting to identify "multiculturalism" irrevocably with "segregation" aren't irrefutably linear.

The statement that "multiculturalism" never works cannot be made as "never" as a finite time hasn't been determined yet, has it?

How would anyone determine if multiculturalism is working somewhere? What societal trends would you be able to attribute solely to multiculturalism and not some other influencing factors, either pro or con?
I don't think that any country is truly multi-cultural. There is usually one identifying culture with minority cultures living among the mainstream one. It's when you have two or more competing against one another for dominance where conflict breaks out.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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The question is this. Why does segregation occur in the first place? Last time I checked, when Jamaicans started immigrating to the UK in the 50s, alot of White English people didn't want them there, period. This is ironic consider that White English people had gone to the West Indies, Africa, and India.
(1) Most white people are not attracted to blacks, and thus assimilation through marriage is limited.
(2) Black children cannot keep up with white children in school, for many reasons; and thus social mobility is limited.
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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(1) Most white people are not attracted to blacks, and thus assimilation through marriage is limited.
(2) Black children cannot keep up with white children in school, for many reasons; and thus social mobility is limited.
Most immigrants to Britain were Asian, not West Indian and they have tended to do well both educationally and economically. In fact, they are as good, if not better, than white children when it comes to school and have probably been more successful than the white Irish immigrants who came before them.
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Old 05-06-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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It was easier for Irish and Italians to blend in with the rest of white america though.

Blacks on the other hand do not have that luxury because you can't hide your appearance.
Unless you were Michael Jackson.
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