Why Shouldn't I be allowed to opt out of Social Security (unemployment, wage)

[Beenhere4ever]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

I don't think the people living in bunkers on a mountain in Montana pay into Soc Sec..... there's a thought...

Did Ted Kaczinski pay Social Security tax?

[BentBow]

Those that are employed, government FORCES your employer to steal your blood sweat and tears, for their kitty.
98% of those, will never get back all that was stolen without a choice.

[BentBow]

Can't remember if it is Corpus Christi, or Galveston TX, that opted out of SS withholding. There city employees get 5 times the return upon retirement and it is not @ 62 yo.

[Boss]

Originally Posted by alphamale

Part time or full time.....6% of your gross earnings is forcibly taken from you every paycheck.

Imagine having the freedom to invest that 6% how YOU want?

6% is also taken from your employer.

BTW....YOU cannot touch YOUR money until the government tells you that you can.

If you are single, and die prior to 62, you lose it.

Great plan, huh?

Yes it is and has worked for 80 years. As has been proved by the 2008 downturn.

A lot of people will have SS to fall back on after paying in for about 40 years or so.

So its a govt. plan which works and is effective.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by Boss

Yes it is and has worked for 80 years. As has been proved by the 2008 downturn.

A lot of people will have SS to fall back on after paying in for about 40 years or so.

So its a govt. plan which works and is effective.

Okay....then make it optional.

That's where you lose the argument.

[Boss]

It cant be because when you guys get wacked (economic) I dont want you on welfare. I want you getting your money and more back that was protected by US Tres. bonds.

[MTAtech]

Originally Posted by BentBow

Those that are employed, government FORCES your employer to steal your blood sweat and tears, for their kitty.
98% of those, will never get back all that was stolen without a choice.

There we go with the "taxes are theft" mantra. Taxes are the dues we pay to have a civil society.

I read two opposing arguments from conservatives. One side says that recipients are a drain on the system, as they receive far more than they pay in. The other side says that most won't get back what they pay in. Get your stories straight.

[lycos679]

Originally Posted by Boss

It cant be because when you guys get wacked (economic) I dont want you on welfare. I want you getting your money and more back that was protected by US Tres. bonds.

SS is welfare, that's all it was ever designed to be. It's a fail-safe for people that worked and lost everything or failed to save. The only difference between now and 70 years ago is people today live longer and treat SS like a retirement plan. Why do you think the system in unsustainable?

[Boss]

Originally Posted by lycos679

SS is welfare, that's all it was ever designed to be. It's a fail-safe for people that worked and lost everything or failed to save. The only difference between now and 70 years ago is people today live longer and treat SS like a retirement plan. Why do you think the system in unsustainable?

Wrong, See how the system works before you brand it welfare. The system is and will continue to be sustainable.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by MTAtech

There we go with the "taxes are theft" mantra. Taxes are the dues we pay to have a civil society.

I read two opposing arguments from conservatives. One side says that recipients are a drain on the system, as they receive far more than they pay in. The other side says that most won't get back what they pay in. Get your stories straight.

The difference being, one is taken upon threat of violence and oppression. The other is given upon choice.
One reeks tyranny, the other liberty.


How come I have a choice and you don't? Riddle me that, government slave.