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Old 05-08-2013, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I have no obsession with anything Canadian. I like Canada (in the Summer) and think Canada should become our 51st state.

On the other hand, I do recognize government failure and can see where Obamacare is taking us.

The USA will become a state of Mexico before that happens. Canadians have as much interest in being part of the USA as they have in cutting their arms off.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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That is a nice start to it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:14 AM
 
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Is it a stupid thread because it does not agree with your political stance? Is the doctor in the link lying?
No it's a stupid thread because the operative word is "THE" as in a single doctor!

How many disenchanted doctor's would we find below the 49th, if anyone cared to do a simple google?

Is it going to be pertinent to any meaningful comparative analysis between the two current systems to search for disgruntled practitioners? Really?

There is and has been much made of Canada's Universal system running up to your Obamacare modifications to your system. Wouldn't links from all of that bumpf be of more use to those of you who are truly interested in a comparison?

Now as to speaking towards any agenda/stance; whose dumb thread is this anyway?

I don't have any agenda/stance; either towards your health care system or against it. Can you say the same about Canada's? ~ hint ~ refer back to title of your stupid thread.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: North America
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Or just get the old USA back on track and off the Nanny State road to destruction.

Then run for the hills, bud. It must suck to be so afraid all the time.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In 1997, Jacques Chaouilli, MD, a family physician in Montreal, Quebec, decided he could no longer tolerate seeing his patients suffer—sometimes die—lingering on waiting lists for treatment and/or specialty care. He started a private emergency housecall service that got shut down by the government because of its prohibition of private health care. He then decided to challenge Canada’s law prohibiting patients from seeking—and doctors from providing—private health care outside of the government run single-payer monopoly health care system.
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In an interview in 2009 by the Los Angeles Times, Dr. Day said, in justifying the proliferation of private clinics, "What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list… You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list."

The Canadian experience provides an opportunity to anticipate the future of health care delivery in the United States.

Read the entire article here;

The Depressing Future of American Health Care - Reason.com
WE were on a cruise a couple years ago that started in Canada, so there were a lot of Canadians on the ship. One couple believed strongly in the Canadian health program, every other person we spoke with said, although they know America needs better insurance, the Canadian way was not the answer. I won't take time to tell you all the stories we heard, but it wasn't good.. In fact a couple of people we spoke with come over the border to America for health care. I just don't think many, here, in America realize what we are going to be facing. Some of it is already staring us in the face, look at the cost of insurance and how much it is costing the average worker, compared to a few years ago. And as seniors we have seen how much more we are paying for tests, office visits etc.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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I must have missed the part of the PPACA that outlaws private clinics. Can someone point it out?
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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WE were on a cruise a couple years ago that started in Canada, so there were a lot of Canadians on the ship. One couple believed strongly in the Canadian health program, every other person we spoke with said, although they know America needs better insurance, the Canadian way was not the answer. I won't take time to tell you all the stories we heard, but it wasn't good.. In fact a couple of people we spoke with come over the border to America for health care. I just don't think many, here, in America realize what we are going to be facing. Some of it is already staring us in the face, look at the cost of insurance and how much it is costing the average worker, compared to a few years ago. And as seniors we have seen how much more we are paying for tests, office visits etc.
And of course no Canadian has ever taken a cruise out of Miami and heard a plethora of stories about the U.S. system failures?

No Canadian snowbird living down there for 6 months of the year has seen first hand the failures in the U.S. system.

There never has been any discussion among yourselves how bad your system has been and is getting but instead it's the failed Canadian model you're afraid of.

Medical Tourism in Canada; Guide to Medical Treatment in Canada. | Find Private Clinics in Canada


Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada - New York Times

Dispatches from the Hogtown Front: Rampant fraud in Canada's healthcare system

Americans Increasingly Seek Medical Care Abroad - via Ripley8 - Newsvine

The last link shows you're even willing to go to places like Thailand and Costa Rica for healthcare/surgery.

Sheesh; give this stuff about Canada a rest why doncha?
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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****Crickets****
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: NC
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WE were on a cruise a couple years ago that started in Canada, so there were a lot of Canadians on the ship. One couple believed strongly in the Canadian health program, every other person we spoke with said, although they know America needs better insurance, the Canadian way was not the answer. I won't take time to tell you all the stories we heard, but it wasn't good.. In fact a couple of people we spoke with come over the border to America for health care. I just don't think many, here, in America realize what we are going to be facing. Some of it is already staring us in the face, look at the cost of insurance and how much it is costing the average worker, compared to a few years ago. And as seniors we have seen how much more we are paying for tests, office visits etc.
I've meet some finance execs from Toronto once during the whole "Obamacare" debate. Long story short, they prefer the Canadian way heavily for a variety of reasons. The biggest issue they said was getting the process started as the first five years was tough, but after that, they'll take their system over ours any day of the week.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Aaah crap Roadking; as if we haven't had enough of these stupid threads with every one of them merely ending up with your own folks down there coming on and blowing these stupid notions of surperiority in your present system right out of the water.

What the hell is with this unhealthy (pun intended) obsession you have for all things Canadian?

Enough already.
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The USA will become a state of Mexico before that happens. Canadians have as much interest in being part of the USA as they have in cutting their arms off.
lolllolol.

You Canadians with your inferiority complex always give me a chuckle. Outside of the weather, it's probably not a coincidence that 90 percent of the Canadian population lives within 200 miles of the American border.

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WE were on a cruise a couple years ago that started in Canada, so there were a lot of Canadians on the ship. One couple believed strongly in the Canadian health program, every other person we spoke with said, although they know America needs better insurance, the Canadian way was not the answer. I won't take time to tell you all the stories we heard, but it wasn't good.. In fact a couple of people we spoke with come over the border to America for health care. I just don't think many, here, in America realize what we are going to be facing. Some of it is already staring us in the face, look at the cost of insurance and how much it is costing the average worker, compared to a few years ago. And as seniors we have seen how much more we are paying for tests, office visits etc.
It's true. Most Americans here in their liberal dogma will never admit it, and most have never had any experience with the Canadian system, but it is NOT superior to the American system, nor is it, a country 10 percent the size of America, the system for our country.

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And of course no Canadian has ever taken a cruise out of Miami and heard a plethora of stories about the U.S. system failures?

No Canadian snowbird living down there for 6 months of the year has seen first hand the failures in the U.S. system.

There never has been any discussion among yourselves how bad your system has been and is getting but instead it's the failed Canadian model you're afraid of.

Medical Tourism in Canada; Guide to Medical Treatment in Canada. | Find Private Clinics in Canada


Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada - New York Times

Dispatches from the Hogtown Front: Rampant fraud in Canada's healthcare system

Americans Increasingly Seek Medical Care Abroad - via Ripley8 - Newsvine

The last link shows you're even willing to go to places like Thailand and Costa Rica for healthcare/surgery.

Sheesh; give this stuff about Canada a rest why doncha?
BruSan, what experience do you have with the Canadian system of health coverage? You seem to be one of those super arrogant, condescending know-it-all liberals. But then again, your kind almost all are.

So, what experience do you have with the Canadian system?
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