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Old 05-09-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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You're most welcome. I have no dog in this fight, as I don't intend to move back to the US. I have no reasion to lie.
That being said, I take umbrage to folks slandering our system when they know nothing about it.
That was the nature of the very first post and a couple of others but not the predominant theme throughout as I predicted at the outset. Folks down there are not ALL firmly entrenched in this Liberal/ Conservative polarized silliness and are aware there are still things that need reasoned discussion rather than "it cain't be good fer us, it's socialist, communist or something with an ist on the end"

There will be more examples of Americans pitching in with fair opinions each time some nut again posts one of these silly comparison threads based on nonsense. I kinda think these threads are doing more harm to their cause through helping to educate more and more about the failings in any/all of the systems out there today.

Go to the meat and potatoes and we'll have a reasoned chat about what parts of our system to avoid if and when you begin to build one of your own. No problem at all with THAT kind of to and fro.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: NC
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So those finance executives were all born at least 20 years prior to 1966 to have any meaningful memory of the first five years of our Universal Health care??? That would make them all around 67 years old ~ wait, that's my age and I don't even remember the "tough" first five years of Universal Healthcare.

Perchance, were these discussions taking place over Vodka Martini's with blue cheese stuffed olives?


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They were talking historically, not personally.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I work with lots of people from Europe and the US/Canada. One observation is, that no one other than Americans, talks about health care in their country.

I'm not saying all Americans do, but it certainly seems to be a bigger issue for them, than other nationalities.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: NC
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I work with lots of people from Europe and the US/Canada. One observation is, that no one other than Americans, talks about health care in their country.

I'm not saying all Americans do, but it certainly seems to be a bigger issue for them, than other nationalities.
Because on the efficiency side of things, ours sucks, and pretty much touches every single person in this country...in a bad way.

And as long as we have people like Roadking and Grovie who are in a vocal but sizeable minority, our country will continue to decline in overall standing in relation to the rest of the first world.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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They were talking historically, not personally.
Well dang! Historical stuff is sure dry talk WITHOUT an Effen Vodka with blue cheese stuffed Martinis.

Actually it lurched along fairly well with each decade seeing general improvements to the basic coverage but I believe it's major challenges are yet to be seen.

We are starting to see the Federal off-loading to the Provinces more and more of the costs to many things with health care being the most important of those.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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>Look to Canada's healthcare

I think that's kinda the point.

To have a healthcare system that actually makes sense, like theirs.
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Old 05-09-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Govie; You and Roadking are the perfect example of what you accuse me of being with your infantile comments regarding Canada and all things Canadian.

What's the arrogant bullcrap title of this thread again?

I'm a Canadian who winters in Florida so have ample opportunity to talk to folks not stuck in your Liberal vs. conservative merry-go-round (yes there are some) who will readily admit to all of the failings and also who readily admit to wanting our system or one like it.

You ignored my links didn't you?
I never said the American health care system was perfect; far from it. When you are charged $10.00 for an aspirin at an American hospital something is seriously wrong. I only post in this thread to challenge the Canadian (and American) voices that perpetuate this idea that Canada is SO MUCH BETTER, when in reality that is just a lie. There are good and bad in both systems of health, I just don't like it when the anti-American stuff flies rampant, and trust me as a independent (politically and socially) individual myself I can tell you I have an equal amount of disdain for both neocons and liberals alike.

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Lol! The handyman just came over to fix a leaky faucet. He's wearing an eye patch, as he just had cataract surgery. I asked him how long he had to wait...he said about two months. Sure, he could have had it done in the US in a few days, but why pay thousands of dollars for something that's not life-threatening?
Is our system perfect? Of course not. No system is. However, if something needs to be done right away, it gets done, and done well.
Why don't you Canadians stop lying about all-things Canada making America look draconian?

The fact of the matter is EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive, and some times significantly more. This is not entirely accurate, but gives you ballpark for some living necesities. I do believe on average a gallon of gas in Canada is $2.00 more per gallon (US), for example. http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...=United+States

So you're talking to someone who has cousins there, a sister there, nieces and nephews there and someone who has also been to three provinces. I know far more than the average American you serve to misinform about how superior you fair country is. Love Canada - love the land and the culture - but dang if I haven't in my life run into too many holier-than-thou types from Canuckistan in my time (30 years, lol) quick to label us Yanks a bunch of gun-toting poor people-hating redneck types. You Canadians do nothing to serve your purpose with such pompous attitudes.
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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I never said the American health care system was perfect; far from it. When you are charged $10.00 for an aspirin at an American hospital something is seriously wrong. I only post in this thread to challenge the Canadian (and American) voices that perpetuate this idea that Canada is SO MUCH BETTER, when in reality that is just a lie. There are good and bad in both systems of health, I just don't like it when the anti-American stuff flies rampant, and trust me as a independent (politically and socially) individual myself I can tell you I have an equal amount of disdain for both neocons and liberals alike.



Why don't you Canadians stop lying about all-things Canada making America look draconian?

The fact of the matter is EVERYTHING in Canada is more expensive, and some times significantly more. This is not entirely accurate, but gives you ballpark for some living necesities. I do believe on average a gallon of gas in Canada is $2.00 more per gallon (US), for example. Cost Of Living Comparison Between Canada And United States

So you're talking to someone who has cousins there, a sister there, nieces and nephews there and someone who has also been to three provinces. I know far more than the average American you serve to misinform about how superior you fair country is. Love Canada - love the land and the culture - but dang if I haven't in my life run into too many holier-than-thou types from Canuckistan in my time (30 years, lol) quick to label us Yanks a bunch of gun-toting poor people-hating redneck types. You Canadians do nothing to serve your purpose with such pompous attitudes.
Once again Govie you've completely forgotten the title of the thread and how it originated in a Canada bashing manner, but hey, all of us up here with an inferiority complex are used to that lapse.

All post occurring after that O/P are in response and some even with links that you completely ignored responding to but that too is also characteristic. You'd rather just accuse us of misrepresenting Canada and hope it sticks rather than respond to factual input.

Now what does it being more expensive to live here have to do with the topic at hand? Lost your silly argument so now you're resorting to scatter-gunning? This reminds me of the kinder egg thread.

Govie here's the deal; those of us who are content to live here and call it home aren't particularly ecstatic about our taxation rates but temper those feelings with the realization that we at least are getting something for our payout other than the biggest military machine on the planet that we don't want anyway. Capice?

C'mon with the emotive "draconian" stuff. We've been having a discussion on health-care and as I recall you're the one who threw everything from; our population living within 200 miles of the border, to our relying upon you for defense from enemies you haven't yet identified but I suspect ones you've busily made for us. NO ONE has stated yet on here that Canada as a country is superior to the U.S.. Once again, remember, we're attempting to have a discourse on Health Care.

Now it's the "holier than though types from Canuckistan" in your little tirade that we should also ignore I guess. Dang if I haven't run into a few of your type in my 67 (you'll note, double your number) years who were so quick to throw that socialist, nanny state moniker at me as though I wouldn't realize they mean't it as an insult.

Thank god you are neither characteristic or representative of the majority of your countrymen.
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Once again Govie you've completely forgotten the title of the thread and how it originated in a Canada bashing manner, but hey, all of us up here with an inferiority complex are used to that lapse.

All post occurring after that O/P are in response and some even with links that you completely ignored responding to but that too is also characteristic. You'd rather just accuse us of misrepresenting Canada and hope it sticks rather than respond to factual input.

Now what does it being more expensive to live here have to do with the topic at hand? Lost your silly argument so now you're resorting to scatter-gunning? This reminds me of the kinder egg thread.

Govie here's the deal; those of us who are content to live here and call it home aren't particularly ecstatic about our taxation rates but temper those feelings with the realization that we at least are getting something for our payout other than the biggest military machine on the planet that we don't want anyway. Capice?

C'mon with the emotive "draconian" stuff. We've been having a discussion on health-care and as I recall you're the one who threw everything from; our population living within 200 miles of the border, to our relying upon you for defense from enemies you haven't yet identified but I suspect ones you've busily made for us. NO ONE has stated yet on here that Canada as a country is superior to the U.S.. Once again, remember, we're attempting to have a discourse on Health Care.

Now it's the "holier than though types from Canuckistan" in your little tirade that we should also ignore I guess. Dang if I haven't run into a few of your type in my 67 (you'll note, double your number) years who were so quick to throw that socialist, nanny state moniker at me as though I wouldn't realize they mean't it as an insult.

Thank god you are neither characteristic or representative of the majority of your countrymen.
lol, talk about rambling. Why don't you stop lying about me changing the subject, mkay? Everything posted in here has been correlated to health care. Feel free to perpetuate the lie that Canadian health care is ideal for America though... (And I wouldn't feel too proud of being twice as old as me. )

Make no mistake about it, I am NOT like every other American, thank God. We've put the likes of Obama and Bush in office the last four terms; thanks to those "average" Americans you are referring to me "not reflecting." Who in their right mind could in any way be proud of those two bafoons, not to mention the hundreds of loon congress members and senators?

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Old 05-09-2013, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Meanwhile, conservatives are about to destroy Canada's economy.
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