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Old 05-09-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Please show me this "social contract".

Your analogy is seriously flawed.

Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution protects one intellectual property.

You're trying to say that since an author didn't invent the alphabet, anyone is entitled to steal their ideas. After all, no one can own words, right?
The social contract is in The Constitution you just quoted for starters. It's in a bunch of other places too.

Seriously, let me know if you can build your own house, grow your own food, or make your own medicine without at the very least "owning" land.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Do people have a right to anything?

Let's say: Food, liberty, job, housing, freedom, sex, partner, education.
Liberty - Yes

As to the rest, no, you are not "entitled" to those things - you must earn them.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't do drugs -- in fact if I don't know how something is made, I don't put it in my body.

And to your point -- what is stopping you from doing your own research to come up with some antibiotic? You don't have time or don't have the brains so you need to pay those who did all that work for you. Of course they should not be required to give you the formula when you didn't do the work. You should pay for what you want and stop expecting to live off the backs of others.
We all live off the backs of others. That's the point.

Trying to regulate ownership based on arbitrary inventions like money, methodology, and incentives is foolish for this very reason.

If left to my own devices I could work on my own antibiotic. I'd get "closer" to success than now when I must enter into the social contract to utilize my skills in conjunction with natural resources. But of course smarter folks would do better than me. But this doesn't mean the guy who invents the cure for something didn't use previous knowledge/tools in his field nor does it mean I'm totally useless in the endeavor.

Again, we have to redefine the word "work" in my opinion. When Fleming made his breakthrough with penicillin he went off previous work. He also ate food, drank water, and had a stable structure to work in.

Are you suggesting he should have performed his breakthrough with no lights, no clean water, and in a substandard structure unless we could have put him in a room beforehand to see if he could have spontaneously figured out sanitation, architecture, and invent the light bulb?

Im not trying to be as obtuse or nihilistic as it seems really lol). I'm just tired of everyone trying to keep score in a game with no beginning or end. It's the definition of insanity.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:28 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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The social contract is in The Constitution you just quoted for starters. It's in a bunch of other places too.

Seriously, let me know if you can build your own house, grow your own food, or make your own medicine without at the very least "owning" land.
I'd like to know how one "owns" land. At best all you do is make rental payments even when the loan is paid in full.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Every human being is entitled to quality medicine, food, water, clothing, and shelter...the best available at that time.
Lol and who will be paying for all of this?
Yours is one of the most illogical and retarded posts I have seen today.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Lol and who will be paying for all of this?
Yours is one of the most illogical and retarded posts I have seen today.
I'm not the one who thinks trading unusable cotton, linen fibers, and random minerals found in the earth for food and water is a great deal for the latter trader.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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I'm not the one who thinks trading unusable cotton, linen fibers, and random minerals found in the earth for food and water is a great deal for the latter trader.
You and our quick to flee OP have still never answered what the other 1/2 of the social contract would be in order to receive the entitlements?

I watched a show about a group commune where they all participated but eventually had to boot some people out for not pulling their weight.

Occupy had the same problem where the moochers wouldn't help cook or clean....just show up to eat and then go take a nap or whatever.

What should be the RESPONSIBILITIES and REPERCUSSIONS in order to have teh RIGHTS to all of the listed needs? Or can I just lay around and you guys will bring me food, beer and sex etc?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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I'm not the one who thinks trading unusable cotton, linen fibers, and random minerals found in the earth for food and water is a great deal for the latter trader.
Well you avoided answering the question. Who will be paying for all of these things you deem to be "rights"?

Or will they be paid for in buckets of magic unicorn turds?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Do people have a right to anything?

Let's say: Food, liberty, job, housing, freedom, sex, partner, education.

Are any of these things entitlements, or is it all just a big free-for-all, grab what you can, and to hell with everyone else?


Life, Liberty & the pursuit of property.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You and our quick to flee OP have still never answered what the other 1/2 of the social contract would be in order to receive the entitlements?

I watched a show about a group commune where they all participated but eventually had to boot some people out for not pulling their weight.

Occupy had the same problem where the moochers wouldn't help cook or clean....just show up to eat and then go take a nap or whatever.

What should be the RESPONSIBILITIES and REPERCUSSIONS in order to have teh RIGHTS to all of the listed needs? Or can I just lay around and you guys will bring me food, beer and sex etc?
I never avoided the question. You're assuming I know you want or need food, beer, and sex from me. You're assuming we both know what it's worth for me or you to work or receive these things.

Again, we need to start with what we need and want on a personal and societal level and not just get drafted into the social contract. Then we have to decide what we are willing to do on a personal and societal level to attain these things. Until we do that, this is all academic.

I'm willing to talk about it.
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