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Old 05-07-2013, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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So, I've heard that Italy has it written in their constitution that the president is elected when he wins 25% of the vote, not 50%.

AND, Italy has more than the two political parties.

Would you be in favor of this for the US.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:32 PM
 
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Modern Italian politics isn't someone to model after.

2-party system in the USA isn't going away until Americans admit they don't have the best system in the world. Good luck with that
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Gore Vidal aptly stated it, some time ago, this country has only one political party!

I'm waiting, waiting, waiting for that 2nd political party to appear! Then? Let's go for a third!
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:48 PM
 
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A two "party system" is one of the biggest misnomers in the English language. A 'system" implies that there are some legal restriction more than two recognized political parties, in the U.S. there no such restriction. This is why there are and have been a plethora of political parties in this country.

While I will be the first to admit that their are structural barriers, such as prohibitive nominating petition requirements that act against those parties from effectively competing in national elections, they are not insurmountable if they presented a favorable alternative to the two dominating parties.

I would suggest instead of complaining over the deficiencies of the Democratic or Republican parties that individual join one of the existing alternative parties and get busy with the arduous but necessary task of party building.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Taos NM
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NOOOO, i got moved to this part of the forum
oh well,

Anyways, about the minor parties, it is highly unlikely they will succeed at winning elections because too often people see votes for a third party as votes for the other side. I've heard that the Green Party stole enough of Al Gores votes in 2000 to let Bush get elected, so their is some validity to this.

Anyways, you need more than three. Three is unstable and will eventually wash back down to two. Four or more is preferable.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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So, I've heard that Italy has it written in their constitution that the president is elected when he wins 25% of the vote, not 50%.

AND, Italy has more than the two political parties.

Would you be in favor of this for the US.
please, Obama won 51% of the vote and if you listen to republicans that means nothing because half the country didn't vote for him. You honestly believe a president who wins 25 or 30 percent of the vote is going to be any better.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:28 AM
 
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The GOP is pretty much finished now so the paradigm has ended.

We're now a one party system so this thread is kind of redundant.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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NOOOO, i got moved to this part of the forum
oh well,

Anyways, about the minor parties, it is highly unlikely they will succeed at winning elections because too often people see votes for a third party as votes for the other side. I've heard that the Green Party stole enough of Al Gores votes in 2000 to let Bush get elected, so their is some validity to this.

Anyways, you need more than three. Three is unstable and will eventually wash back down to two. Four or more is preferable.

And this line of thinking that voting for a 3rd party is a vote for the other side, and therefore I need to "vote for the lesser of two evils" is what got us into the mess we're in.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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And this line of thinking that voting for a 3rd party is a vote for the other side, and therefore I need to "vote for the lesser of two evils" is what got us into the mess we're in.
So do you vote for the third party?
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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The GOP is pretty much finished now so the paradigm has ended.

We're now a one party system so this thread is kind of redundant.
Weren't people saying that about the Democrats in the late 1980s?
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