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Old 05-13-2013, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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i don't think it is reasonable to expect others to hunt down the sources you quoted.



On Jan. 15, 2012 the agency decided to target “political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform movement.,” according to the appendix in the IG report, which was requested by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and has yet to be released.
The funny part of that quote is that it basically states it targets any political group, liberal and conservative.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not only do we know that they did something that has politicians from both sides condemning it also shows a contempt for the Constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty.
Being audited has nothing to do with the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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Being audited has nothing to do with the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
Nope, but intentionally singling out certain groups because of their politics does though.

You can deflect all you want but there is no way to spin this one. It's going to get ugly.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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The funny part of that quote is that it basically states it targets any political group, liberal and conservative.
Exactly.

Now, if they aren't targeting liberals and conservatives equally, ok , that's a problem.

But that's not the OP's argument. The OP's argument seems to be : "Groups who educate citizens on the Constitution and Bill of Rights are so obviously not political groups, that it is offensive for the IRS to even check." The OP acts as if it were beyond the pale that these types of groups be considered "political."
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:01 AM
 
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Not only do we know that they did something that has politicians from both sides condemning it also shows a contempt for the Constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty.
Who has been declared guilty of a crime, here?
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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Lots of different groups get audited, it isn't really that big of a deal...maybe a little bit of a pain, but that is it. I have worked for a company that has been audited once. They came in, went through the bookkeeping and left.

You guys act like this is the first time anyone has ever been audited.
You really don't get it do you? Groups were not just being aduited! We all know we can be audited, we all didn't know IRS could "target" people. Come on you people really must be smarter and know the difference!
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Who has been declared guilty of a crime, here?
As it ends up nobody because there was nothing wrong being done. (luckily for us all courts don't work like they do in Chicago) As we have seen by the presidents senior adviser though, they still were guilty and had to be stopped.

They were targeted simply for the fact that they were outraising left leaning groups.

Well, they were ‘flourishing’: David Plouffe excuses IRS targeting of conservative groups | Twitchy
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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As it ends up nobody because there was nothing wrong being done. As we have seen by the presidents senior adviser though, they still were guilty and had to be stopped.
Where do you see "the presidents senior adviser" declaring someone guilty?
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:07 AM
 
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Where do you see "the presidents senior adviser" declaring someone guilty?
Read the link above. "They had to be stopped".
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:08 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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This is political intimidation of conservative groups during the election. Targeting jewish, targeting conservatives. Just think if they targeted African American groups, there would be outrage on the left but instead this will get the Benghazi treatment.

Benghazi, IRS, and Obama has 3 fundraisers today.

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