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Old 05-14-2013, 07:49 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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Millions of children who did NOT choose to live in these places are trapped there too. That will also cost us at some point.
"....but, but, think of the childern!"

(sniff, slobber, sniff)
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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I have a hard time feeling bad for the Stockton's, San Bernadino's and Detroit's, Camden's of the nation. I don't know why all these extremely irresponsible, poor cities think that generations of poor people having a contest to see who could have the highest birth rate would turn out to be an ideal situation.

Take Stockton, CA for example. They decided to go all out and build brand-new amazing facilities all over their downtown in the last decade. They decided to give public servants six-figure pensions. Meanwhile, the residents were busy having babies they could not afford, working for fly-by night construction companies and driving to welfare offices to fill out applications for goodies.

Detroit is another example. I heard that instead of hiring law enforcement, they decided that new devolopment in a small area around Wayne State University would cause a boom of people rushing to buy property in a city that had 411 homicides last year for 700,000 people.

The city I have lived in the last 3 months also is in the same position. They can afford tax-increment and bond financing packages to create a massive, shiny outdoor mall which is half-vacant in the middle of their downtown but yet the streets are full of potholes, housing structures are falling apart and the local library hasn't been renovated in 45 years.


There are many, many middle-class, enclaves that people can live in and be around appealing people for the same price as these dumpy, enclaves that have bentley taste's on a yugo budget.
Americna cities control and controlled their own destiny. As they still do.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:54 AM
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"....but, but, think of the childern!"

(sniff, slobber, sniff)
Do you actually disagree that people growing up in these areas are at a distinct disadvantage, and that the lack of opportunity for people who grow up there is going to create a drag on the larger economy for decades to come? This is also a huge problem in rural areas with no opportunity, but we have an easier time ignoring that.

Most people aren't moving. Of those who are, a large majority are moving within the same county. Getting out is a lot easier said than done.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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I have every sympathy for those suffering, but they need to seriously go look at the finances and expose the whole facade.
Unmasking The CAFR Scam In Every City, USA | REALITY BLOG

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So the City Of Detroit is covering up more than $8 billion dollars in CURRENT assets by its creative accounting of future assets due more than a year away that will be paid for by future assets that are creatively not reported in its own audited CAFR. If I was a resident of Detroit, I’d say it was time to hold certain lying councilmen and the mayor accountable to the people.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:17 PM
 
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"....but, but, think of the childern!"

(sniff, slobber, sniff)

???
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Do you actually disagree that people growing up in these areas are at a distinct disadvantage, and that the lack of opportunity for people who grow up there is going to create a drag on the larger economy for decades to come? This is also a huge problem in rural areas with no opportunity, but we have an easier time ignoring that.

Most people aren't moving. Of those who are, a large majority are moving within the same county. Getting out is a lot easier said than done.

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Old 05-14-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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Failures on the part of any municipality costs us all.

It's not about "feeling sorry" for them. That's not the issue.

Millions of children who did NOT choose to live in these places are trapped there too. That will also cost us at some point.

So if you're just here to heap ridicule on places that you're fortunate enough not to have been trapped in by coincidence of your birth, or you're just here to gloat, please, go kick rocks.

I don't feel sorry for people, but I can find it in my heart to have some sympathy.

Especially since we're spending hundreds of billions to try and make something of Iraq and Afghanistan.


Sometimes you get just what you vote for.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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What does that even mean?
the stupid, the ignorant, and the irrational always sick together, and they destroy everything the come into contact with...
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Americna cities control and controlled their own destiny. As they still do.
not really a lot of what they have to jump thru are laws, rules, and regulations at the federal level.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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Re Detroit & the graf upthread: Looks like the decline hasnt stopped or is even levelling off.....

Heres a thought. Project the 1900-1904 growth (before the auto industry took off) in a straight line into the future, and that would be Detroits population if there never was an auto industry located there.

That might be where Detroits population should be?
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