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Old 05-13-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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Good for them. I've researched this a lot and it will not create very many jobs, and most of them will be temp jobs. Who needs that when the result will be more oil spills on our precious land? Can we just move on to responsible land development so people don't have to rely on cars (which cost people way to much money to begin with!!) and invest more in green energy? Why is that so hard to do?

I lived in Cushing, OK and the oil industry was not kind to that redneck ghetto. It will not be kind to anywhere else.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Earth
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In a letter seen by the Guardian, 150 high-profile figures, who between them raised millions for Obama’s two election campaigns, urged the president to use the next four years to avoid the most catastrophic consequences of climate change. “Yours is the last presidency in which it is possible for America to choose a responsible path forward for itself, before climate disruption becomes unmanageably dangerous,” the letter said.

Obama’s top donors ask him to say no to Keystone XL - Salon.com
So have many of us who are not big dollar supporters.
Why should the US take all the risk, the oil is simply being transported through the US.
There has already been a spill.
Let the Canadians sully their own land.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Keystone pipeline: How many jobs really at stake? - CBS News

How many of those construction jobs do you think will be taken by illegal immigrants as well? Do you not think that we could create as many jobs by investing in green energy? Jobs that will not wreck havoc in people's backyards?

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Old 05-13-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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wrong AGAIN, bob

the crude will be refined into product in the Texas Gulf region. thats THOUSANDS of full time, good paying jobs.
a lot of union jobs also.
which is the main reason The Window-Licker In Chief will allow the pipeine to go thru.
I think there are 2 refineries that can take this type of oil and you want people to believe "thousands" of people will be hired by them to handle the additional volume? OooooKaaaaay.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Lefties don't want jobs, they are severely allergic to them.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Lefties don't want jobs, they are severely allergic to them.
Nope. I just want green energy jobs opposed to jobs that will ruin our soil and water and give kids cancer. Why is that so terrible? And do you know how well wind energy jobs pay? Just as good or better than oil industry jobs: http://www.bls.gov/green/wind_energy/
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:55 AM
 
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Keystone is nowhere near as potentially disastrous as Northern Gateway. Trans-US pipeline over 'dry' areas through already developed areas vs the westward Canadian pipeline in the plans through numerous rivers, across the mountains, etc. Most of the oil is still going to the same place--the Gulf of Mexico. The difference is that it will be going by tanker as unrefined crude down the Pacific Coast and then over to the Gulf to Texas/Louisiana to the refineries. Then it will be shipped back out from the Gulf to the Pacific on its way to Asia.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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Actually, they should build a short pipeline down from Canada into the US, then build refineries at the end of it, in the northern states. Then ship the refined products out from there. Why move the crude all the way down to the gulf coast, unless you want to ship it out as crude?
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Actually, they should build a short pipeline down from Canada into the US, then build refineries at the end of it, in the northern states. Then ship the refined products out from there. Why move the crude all the way down to the gulf coast, unless you want to ship it out as crude?
Because they plan to ship it out.

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One of the most important facts that is missing in the national debate surrounding the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline is this – Keystone XL will not bring any more oil into the United State for decades to come. Canada doesn’t have nearly enough oil to fill existing pipelines going to the United States. However, existing Canadian oil pipelines all go to the Midwest, where the only buyer for their crude is the United States. Keystone XL would divert Canadian oil from refineries in the Midwest to the Gulf Coast where it can be refined and exported. Many of these refineries are in Foriegn Trade Zones where oil may be exported to international buyers without paying U.S. taxes. And that is exactly what Valero, one of the largest potential buyers of Keystone XL's oil, has told its investors it will do. The idea that Keystone XL will improve U.S. oil supply is a documented scam being played on the American people by Big Oil and its friends in Washington DC.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/as...sands_pip.html

That is a biased source, but it is common sense. The pipelines is already in Oklahoma. There are refineries in Oklahoma and nearby Kansas that could be used. Why would they want it going to the gulf coast?
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Keystone benefits a few oil brokers. The only thing Americans get out of the project is a few short term jobs and spill risk. Hopefully, we won't need air & water to survive in a few decades.
This the most ignorant post of the day!

The US has over 55,000 miles of crude trunk lines. Just how many eco-spills have there been? NONE Even UNIONS WANT IT! I think Americans are smart enough to see the positives far outweigh the negatives.

The most recent poll shows Americans favor the XL pipeline 5-1. However, if you do a search for "how many jobs will XL create" you'll notice the first 10 pages have been swamped by progressive pro-carbon-taxing websites and their army of search optimization robots.
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