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i suppose it depends on what kind of voucher program you had in mind.
the plan i'm familiar with is: giving families tax breaks (or credits, or cash, or whatever) to send their kids to a private school. The reason i don't like it is because it defunds the public schools that need the money the most.
Now, if there was some voucher plan that didn't defund public schools, then maybe i'd be ok with that.
you also have the problem that private schools don't want to accept vouchers, because that funding comes with strings attached. Any quality private school is going to value its autonomy more than it values state funding.
Because it will cause segregation by various genres and the government must force integration however unnatural it may be. They have 30-40 years of force PC that could unravel with the youth if they did this.
Which is the exact reason it should be implemented.
There is no workable model that will allow for a successful voucher program. The people most likely to use vouchers are people that are already going to be sending their kids to private schools. Private schools don't even have the capacity to accept many more students than they already do.
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The public school system. Case made.
That's not a case for vouchers. The people wanting vouchers are just arguing for a tax cut on the rich. Otherwise, they would want school choice.
i suppose it depends on what kind of voucher program you had in mind.
the plan i'm familiar with is: giving families tax breaks (or credits, or cash, or whatever) to send their kids to a private school. The reason i don't like it is because it defunds the public schools that need the money the most.
Now, if there was some voucher plan that didn't defund public schools, then maybe i'd be ok with that.
you also have the problem that private schools don't want to accept vouchers, because that funding comes with strings attached. Any quality private school is going to value its autonomy more than it values state funding.
You do realize that the public school system is a miserable failure?
You do realize that when someone goes elsewhere, the public school system won't have to use money on teaching that child? (He doesn't require a teacher, overhead, field trips, etc from that local school)
If they need to downsize the teaching force due to vouchers, then so be it. That means another, private job will be created for another person to teach him and his peers. (That is superior to another union, government employee)
So, why would you want to grasp to the public system that has us behind 20-30 other nations in education benchmarks?
Easy and I'll answer for you, you either have skin in the game or you just don't know what you are talking about.
Defunding public schools is building block this country needs to get the youth ready to get responsible again, and purge the system of these entitled, participation trophy losers that cry about everything until everyone else is miserable and then vote themselves the spoils of others who actually work and have ethics.
There is no workable model that will allow for a successful voucher program. The people most likely to use vouchers are people that are already going to be sending their kids to private schools. Private schools don't even have the capacity to accept many more students than they already do.
That's not a case for vouchers. The people wanting vouchers are just arguing for a tax cut on the rich. Otherwise, they would want school choice.
Well it is double taxation. If you send your kids to a private school you shouldn't have to pay for the public portion of property taxes contributing to your local school district. That is obvious, sensible, common sense to anyone with half a brain and some semblance of ethics and morals.
My property is in I would consider a 'C' grade local school system. I'm comfortable, but middle class and I would absolutely send my kids to a different school if I didn't have to pay twice (or had a voucher).
Again, the argument it is only for the rich is absurd. It would help everyone including the poor, mentally retarded, rich, etc.
The smartest and dumbest should be taught on similar styles that cater towards their advantages/disadvantages. This would yield a better crop of citizens, where the most of their abilities could be extracted by specialized teachers.
The undeniable fact is that we get crushed by almost any other civilized country in benchmarks, so no one of this forum arguing for the status quo has math/facts on your side.
the plan i'm familiar with is: giving families tax breaks (or credits, or cash, or whatever) to send their kids to a private school. The reason i don't like it is because it defunds the public schools that need the money the most.
They have one less kid to teach though.... Matter of fact in many cases they are losing some funding so thay actually end up with one less kid to teach and still have some of that funding.
Well it is double taxation. If you send your kids to a private school you shouldn't have to pay for the public portion of property taxes contributing to your local school district. That is obvious, sensible, common sense to anyone with half a brain and some semblance of ethics and morals.
It is a public service with a socialized cost structure. People without kids and people with grown kids are going to pay the same as a family with 5 kids. Access to education is codified in most state constitutions, so that aspect isn't going away.
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My property is in I would consider a 'C' grade local school system. I'm comfortable, but middle class and I would absolutely send my kids to a different school if I didn't have to pay twice (or had a voucher).
So $5,000 is all that is stopping you from paying $20,000-$30,000/yr in tuition?
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Again, the argument it is only for the rich is absurd. It would help everyone including the poor, mentally retarded, rich, etc.
No, it wouldn't. TX of all places just voting down school vouchers because the plan wasn't workable and would simply be giving a tax cut to people that would already be going private. People were still going to have to come up with about $14K/year (IIRC that's for 1 kid) to even benefit from the program.
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The smartest and dumbest should be taught on similar styles that cater towards their advantages/disadvantages. This would yield a better crop of citizens, where the most of their abilities could be extracted by specialized teachers.
I don't think smart kids should even be in the same class as dumb kids.
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The undeniable fact is that we get crushed by almost any other civilized country in benchmarks, so no one of this forum arguing for the status quo has math/facts on your side.
I'm not arguing for the status quo, far from it, but offering parents a choice makes more sense than a voucher program. Just attach the money to the kid instead of attaching the kid to the school, that's what Belgium does. Where I live neighborhoods are zoned to particular schools. It doesn't even matter if a better school is closer to you; if you aren't zoned to a school then you aren't going to that school. Ever wonder why charter school perform so well?
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