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Whites were the ones with then money, Blacks were the ones who were poor - and when the Blacks moved in the Whites moved out (taking their money with them).
It's not that hard to understand - unless one is either stupid or willfully ignorant.
Ken
Or a racist like yourself who believe that after 60 years blacks simply were not able to do anything on their own.
There are hundreds of thousands of blacks in Detroit. Why exactly do they even need the support of white's?
36% below the poverty line. Average per capita income of $15,261.
That is simply too low to support a major city of large size. So they need an influx of people with higher incomes. Higher income people are mostly white.
Detroit is really a unique situation. There are really 3 Detroits. A less than 10 square mile central city that is probably OK. A vast and beaten up remainder of the city with a few reasonably stable neighborhoods on the periphery. And then the surrounds in Wayne County and others.
The second Detroit is the problem. Vast in size and hopelessly poor. And where consolidation to the center sounds sensible you lose the remaining good neighborhoods and make the second city worse.
This thing really does not appear salvageable. It is a rescue mission. Paid for by who?.
36% below the poverty line. Average per capita income of $15,261.
That is simply too low to support a major city of large size. So they need an influx of people with higher incomes. Higher income people are mostly white.
With these people just kicking up their heels while drinking scotch and spending their money?
There are groups of poor people. You and others are arguing that blacks remained poor for over 50 years because white's were not there to help them.
Again, it has NOTHING to do with color - or with "White's 'helping' them". There are plenty of overwhelming White coal mining towns that became totally destitute when the main business (ie the mine) in town closed - same with overwhelmingly White farming communities in the midwest as farming mechanized and reduced the need for labor. Those little places just don't get the attention Detroit gets because the scale in Detroit is so much bigger - but the process is the same. Once the jobs leave, those folks remaining end up dirt poor - and consequently so does the town.
Whites owned the businesses in Detroit and when they left, those businesses closed and took their jobs with them. No jobs = no money.
Many if not most who have money today didn't start out with it.
Sure, so what? There ARE people in Detroit with businesses that are making money. That doesn't change the fact that there are not ENOUGH such companies to offset the massive job loss from all the businesses that moved away.
Ken
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Well, we do appreciate you showing your racism on this post. Typical liberal racism. To you lower class means non white. Guess what, I am not lower class, I am far from it. No matter how much you all want to keep us down trodden because we are not white, it is not going to work
Sorry, but everything you mention comes straight out of the right wing by definition. Your "liberal racist" is an oxymoron straight out of Limbaugh's mouth and his deceitful pea-sized brain.
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Or a racist like yourself who believe that after 60 years blacks simply were not able to do anything on their own.
Case in point - the current RW talking point that "blacks can do for themselves but have always been held back by liberals".
The Southern Strategy, apartheid, and Jim Crow - all courtesy of "liberals", and good right-thinking conservatives had no part in this. Right...
A right-wing talking point that institutionalized racism "no longer exists", even though Jim Crow laws were in effect as recently as 1965.
The right-wing admonition to blacks - since racism "no longer exists" just "shape up and get with the program". Sure...
The fact is, liberals believe that blacks are indeed capable but are also still dealing with RW institutionalized racism. That is the reality and the one you wish to dodge.
Remember, it was corporate America that brought slaves here for dirt-cheap labor, and today corporate America has simply offshored its slave labor to "more friendly" places like Bangladesh with its lack of workplace regulation. The exploitative mentality is no different today - that's why labor markets like Detroit's are considered throwaways. The RW media response to this? The "greedy, lazy, ungrateful working class".
nice looking areas. I have to look more into Oakland county. I had never heard of it or at least if I did, it didn't register with me. I thought Detroit and all the surrounding suburbs were struggling. I saw that Eminem movie and I remember a reference to 8 mile in the movie that was also in the article you linked to, but I thought that was a divide between where black and white residents lived in the city of Detroit.
Oakland county is one of the wealthiest counties in the country, it used to be number four, it's fallen a bit, but still in the top ten or fifteen depending on measurement variables. Per capita income is very high, the residents are mostly urban professionals. It's a great place to raise a family, most of the area has very good schools. All of the cities are beautiful and well kept, some are absolutely gorgeous and filled with multi million dollar homes. It looks nothing like what comes to mind when most people think of Detroit. Most of Wayne County, which is to the west of the city is also very nice, it's just more traditionally working class, so it has suffered more from the lack of manufacturing jobs, but most areas look just like most typical US suburbs.
The glut of ruin porn has created an absolutely ridiculous idea of what living in metro Detroit is like. Around 4 million people live in metro Detroit, there are only a few areas that are burned out and abandoned, Detroit has more than most, but all US cities have terrible, crime ridden neighborhoods full of graffiti and abandoned buildings. Most of metro Detroit, and many parts of the city proper are quite nice and look no different neighborhoods in the rest of the country.
Oakland county does begin at 8 mile, it's north of the city, but it's no longer a dividing line between black and white, many black people also moved to Oakland County to get away from Detroit's crime and horrific schools. It is a dividing line for poverty and rampant crime. If one wishes to buy, or sell drugs, or get away with criminal activity, they mostly need to cross into the city proper if they don't wish to be caught and prosecuted. Almost all of the surrounding cities of metro Detroit have excellent police services, and are filled with hard working, law abiding citizens who take pride in their homes and neighborhoods.
Case in point - the current RW talking point that "blacks can do for themselves but have always been held back by liberals".
The Southern Strategy, apartheid, and Jim Crow - all courtesy of "liberals", and good right-thinking conservatives had no part in this. Right...
A right-wing talking point that institutionalized racism "no longer exists", even though Jim Crow laws were in effect as recently as 1965.
The right-wing admonition to blacks - since racism "no longer exists" just "shape up and get with the program". Sure...
The fact is, liberals believe that blacks are indeed capable but are still dealing with RW institutionalized racism. That is the reality and the one you wish to dodge.
Hundreds of thousands of blacks are doing just fine. Creating and building businesses all over the country. Mind blowing eh?
Seems a large portion don't listen to your arguments that they can not be successful because the man is holding them back. Seems that the majority can indeed think for themselves and don't need you to do it for them.
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Remember, it was corporate America that brought slaves here for dirt-cheap labor, and today corporate America has just offshored its slave labor to places like Bangladesh. The exploitative mentality is no different today - that's why labor markets like Detroit's are considered throwaways. The RW media response to this? The "greedy ungrateful working class".
Oakland county is one of the wealthiest counties in the country, it used to be number four, it's fallen a bit, but still in the top ten or fifteen depending on measurement variables. Per capita income is very high, the residents are mostly urban professionals. It's a great place to raise a family, most of the area has very good schools. All of the cities are beautiful and well kept, some are absolutely gorgeous and filled with multi million dollar homes. It looks nothing like what comes to mind when most people think of Detroit. Most of Wayne County, which is to the west of the city is also very nice, it's just more traditionally working class, so it has suffered more from the lack of manufacturing jobs, but most areas look just like most typical US suburbs.
The glut of ruin porn has created an absolutely ridiculous idea of what living in metro Detroit is like. Around 4 million people live in metro Detroit, there are only a few areas that are burned out and abandoned, Detroit has more than most, but all US cities have terrible, crime ridden neighborhoods full of graffiti and abandoned buildings. Most of metro Detroit, and many parts of the city proper are quite nice and look no different neighborhoods in the rest of the country.
Oakland county does begin at 8 mile, it's north of the city, but it's no longer a dividing line between black and white, many black people also moved to Oakland County to get away from Detroit's crime and horrific schools. It is a dividing line for poverty and rampant crime. If one wishes to buy, or sell drugs, or get away with criminal activity, they mostly need to cross into the city proper if they don't wish to be caught and prosecuted. Almost all of the surrounding cities of metro Detroit have excellent police services, and are filled with hard working, law abiding citizens who take pride in their homes and neighborhoods.
Awfully nice of those white's to make sure that the blacks get looked after.
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