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Old 02-03-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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FYI: You have it reversed. The Palestinians was removed from Jordan, moved to Lebanon, and around 10 years later were removed from Lebanon and moved to Syria. So now a majority have been removed from Syria and are now they are in UN supplied tent cities primarily in Turkey & Jordan (where they are fenced in). And to add insult to them, the Palestinian governments (Fatah/Hamas) won't let them into the territories blaming it on Israel (so lets get this straight, they have tunnels and have been smuggling through them for decades, but won't allow Syrian Palestinian refugees to enter through these same tunnels).

And of course lets add that the Palestinians living in the territories have been protesting for the return of some funding that was cut to take care of Palestinian refugees from Syria, but also have been protesting for the the UNRWA to INCREASE their funding on top of what was reduced. And who would believe that these same Palestinians are unionized.
UNRWA employees in Gaza suspend protests | Maan News Agency
You are both wrong.
Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon are roughly about 450,000 in 10 official camps.
Palestinian Refugees in Jordan number over 2 Million in 10 official camps.
Palestinian Refugees in Syria (before the Civil War) number about 450,000 in 13 official camps.

There are just about 2 Million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined - which is still less that those in Jordan alone. Isn't it odd that nobody ever mentions or even pays any attention to the Palestinian Refugees that live in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria .... even though they are the vast majority.
There are also many Palestinians in Israel - some have chosen to become citizens of Israel, others may do so when they choose. They don't live in 'camps'.

This is only the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) -- there are other Palestinians in the Arab countries, but their camps are not "official".
Jordan treats the Palestinians (vast majority of inhabitants of the Kingdom of Jordan) the best, Lebanese camps are the worst of all the camps.

The Palestinians AND the Syrians have fled Syria to Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Lebanon during the Syrian War ..... it's difficult to know where they all are now. It's pretty much a certainty that Jordan's Palestinian population has grown a lot ..... they could easily be over 3 Million today.

I always find it odd that people don't know these things and choose to believe the anti-Israel/anti Jewish rhetoric.

 
Old 02-03-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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You are both wrong.
Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon are roughly about 450,000 in 10 official camps.
Palestinian Refugees in Jordan number over 2 Million in 10 official camps.
Palestinian Refugees in Syria (before the Civil War) number about 450,000 in 13 official camps.

There are just about 2 Million Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, combined - which is still less that those in Jordan alone. Isn't it odd that nobody ever mentions or even pays any attention to the Palestinian Refugees that live in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria .... even though they are the vast majority.
There are also many Palestinians in Israel - some have chosen to become citizens of Israel, others may do so when they choose. They don't live in 'camps'.

This is only the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) -- there are other Palestinians in the Arab countries, but their camps are not "official".
Jordan treats the Palestinians (vast majority of inhabitants of the Kingdom of Jordan) the best, Lebanese camps are the worst of all the camps.

The Palestinians AND the Syrians have fled Syria to Jordan, Turkey, Iraq and Lebanon during the Syrian War ..... it's difficult to know where they all are now. It's pretty much a certainty that Jordan's Palestinian population has grown a lot ..... they could easily be over 3 Million today.

I always find it odd that people don't know these things and choose to believe the anti-Israel/anti Jewish rhetoric.
This response has nothing to do with what we were talking about. The poster had it reversed due the PLO and their associates were kicked out of Jordan due to Black September in the early 70's and then the PLO and their associates were kicked out of Lebanon in the early 80's.

The current Palestinian refugees you list are generational refugees who were born in those countries. They are the only group who gets refugee status even though the youngest true refugee is 66. 65 and younger were not even born in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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The Palestians are just pawns in proxy wars that othesr loss years ago. Want to be a country then you need to control your land.
 
Old 02-03-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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Yet the media makes us believe Gaza is like the concentration camps. People should be to be so uneducated and hate driven toward Israel.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 03:25 AM
 
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So do you want Israel to end the Occupation or be destroyed?

Are you one of those "Jews must live under Islamic Palestinian rule" people?

Sounds hypocritical to me..... Moving on.

*PS- I support Palestinians right to self determination and the return to the '67 borders but I don't support a "right of return". Technically then all Mexicans can pretty much say they have the right to live in the US because their "ancestors" came from here. You guys need to start taking responsibility over some of your own damn problems. Sheesh.
So what do you call the right of return of Jewish Ashkenazis from europe,who are convert Khazar,that have nothing to do with israel or the middle east,the sephardics are the only people native to the area beside the palestinians
Palestinians are asking for their own state,no islamic rule over israel,and no jewish rule on palestinians
 
Old 02-04-2014, 03:29 AM
 
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Yet the media makes us believe Gaza is like the concentration camps. People should be to be so uneducated and hate driven toward Israel.
Sorry,Gaza is worst than a concentration camp,there is no media in Gaza,actually the media are prevented to enter Gaza by israeli military blocked.

So what do you call the shameful wall,the apartheid wall built by israelis to keep palestinians emprisoned in bantustans ?
 
Old 02-04-2014, 06:00 AM
 
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Sorry,Gaza is worst than a concentration camp,there is no media in Gaza,actually the media are prevented to enter Gaza by israeli military blocked.

So what do you call the shameful wall,the apartheid wall built by israelis to keep palestinians emprisoned in bantustans ?
How come the Egyptians have cut off access to Gaza on the other side?

As for the West Bank, the Palestinian Arabs there do have access to Jordan which was part of the original British Mandate over Palestine (meaning Jordan is also Palestine).
 
Old 02-04-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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So what do you call the right of return of Jewish Ashkenazis from europe,who are convert Khazar,that have nothing to do with israel or the middle east,the sephardics are the only people native to the area beside the palestinians
Palestinians are asking for their own state,no islamic rule over israel,and no jewish rule on palestinians
Israel is a country. As a country it can set its immigrant policy anyway they want. Thus in 2013 19,200 Jews emigrated to Israel.

2013 aliya numbers | JPost | Israel News

It longer matters who is Native to Israel as anyone younger than 66 who were born in the area under the name Israel, from parents who were citizens, is now native to that country. This includes other races and religions as they have full citizenship.


If the all the Palestinians were asking for were simply those three items, then they would have had a state decades ago. But its not. Gaza is proof enough of how they run themselves. No Israeli presence anywhere in Gaza. Gaza has its own gov't, its own court system, it's own police, its own military, its own prisons, its own executions, its own media, its own commerce, its own agenda. Rockets come out of Gaza, Missiles come back in. Israel has already learned how well Palestinians keep up their side of the bargaining table and won't make the same mistakes in trusting them to keep their word again.

Both Palestinian leaderships have already stated that there will be no Jews in their future country. Then Israel should have the same right, without any compensation, to evict every single Arab into Palestine out of Israel and strip them of their Israeli citizenship.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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.....,there is no media in Gaza,actually the media are prevented to enter Gaza by israeli military blocked.

So what do you call the shameful wall,the apartheid wall built by israelis to keep palestinians emprisoned in bantustans ?

First as to the media, its 100% controlled by Hamas in Gaza.

Hamas government reinforces control over Gaza Strip media - Reporters Without Borders


What does Israel call the wall? A border that surrounds 94% of the West Bank on three sides and NONE on the fourth side with Jordan. And Jordan has already stated that they want a buffer zone there controlled by Israel.

And by the way the fourth wall of Gaza that faces Egypt was paid for and built by Egypt.
 
Old 02-04-2014, 06:31 AM
 
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And Abbas flouts this idea.

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After Israelis and Palestinians agree on the contours of a Palestinian state, said Abbas, let Israeli troops remain in the West Bank for a five-year transitional period to work with Palestinian and Jordanian security forces and reassure the Israeli public that it is not going to get hit with the flurry of rockets it got hit with after Israel quit the Gaza Strip. And then have the Israeli forces replaced indefinitely by an American-led NATO force, with troops throughout the territory, at every crossing and within Arab East Jerusalem — along with, of course, Palestinian police and security units.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/op...-proposal.html
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