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According to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of gun manufacturers and sellers, and against the reality that many nations do manage to stop criminals from getting guns in large numbers, there is nothing that can be done.
So why try according to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.
Much like those who were opposed to gay marriage and thought, they could never be defeated, the gun manufacturers and the NRA and gun sellers, will be on the wrong side of history and ultimately political losers.
The math doesn't work for them. Fewer and fewer households own guns. In fact, the majority of households don't have a gun in it. It is only a matter of time until that reality manifests itself politically.
This is why you cannot have a rational conversation with a leftist...they call names and talk down to people who enjoy guns.....
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Fewer and fewer households own guns. In fact, the majority of households don't have a gun in it. It is only a matter of time until that reality manifests itself politically.
This has been proven wrong so many times.....but you continue to spew leftist talking points....
There is only one proven way to deal with the problem,
Citizens should be required to bear arms not as a right but as a responsibility.
Criminals prey on the weak, defencless .
The fewier weak and defencless there are, the fewier criminals are going to act.
If criminals know that they will end up dead, the fewier will want to be criminals.
The problem is most liberals are criminal, hence we have the president we have now.
A currupt government is criminal working it's self against the people just as we are observing.
Actually, many criminals get guns because so many gun sales are not required to go through background checks. That's what Manchin-Toomey was about. It would have required background checks for sales that occur at gun shows or that result from an advertised sale.
Exposing more people to the background check wouldn't really do much. There is a $250,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison penalty for lying on the form but it is never (for all intents and purposes) enforced. Gun laws, if applied, are usually only bargaining chips to be discarded to get guilty pleas for other offenses.
Criminals know there is no penalty for violating statutory gun laws.
Law-abiding gun owning citizens know the criminals know there is no penalty for violating statutory gun laws.
The call for more statutory gun laws makes criminals laugh and makes law-abiding gun owners distrust government even more.
Fix the system so criminal behavior is punished before you demand that legal actions be criminalized.
And as a side argument, the background check is a joke.
There are 10.5 million records in the database and over half are illegal aliens.
Being convicted of a crime punishable by over a year in jail is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are only 1.5 million records in the database.
Being a drug user is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are only 20,000 records in the database.
Being under a PFA/RO is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are 700,000 qualifying PFA's and RO's issued a year but there are less than 5,000 records in the database.
Being a "fugitive from justice" is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are under 400,000 records in the database . . . I think there are that many failure to appear bench warrants open in Philly just by itself LOL.
The funniest (not really) thing is that the anti-gun left is pining for registries of 300,000,000 million guns and 75,000,000 gun owners but they can't keep an easy list of known criminals, wifebeaters, nutjobs and druggies current and accurate.
Exposing more people to the background check wouldn't really do much. There is a $250,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison penalty for lying on the form but it is never (for all intents and purposes) enforced. Gun laws, if applied, are usually only bargaining chips to be discarded to get guilty pleas for other offenses.
Criminals know there is no penalty for violating statutory gun laws.
Law-abiding gun owning citizens know the criminals know there is no penalty for violating statutory gun laws.
The call for more statutory gun laws makes criminals laugh and makes law-abiding gun owners distrust government even more.
Fix the system so criminal behavior is punished before you demand that legal actions be criminalized.
And as a side argument, the background check is a joke.
There are 10.5 million records in the database and over half are illegal aliens.
Being convicted of a crime punishable by over a year in jail is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are only 1.5 million records in the database.
Being a drug user is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are only 20,000 records in the database.
Being under a PFA/RO is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are 700,000 qualifying PFA's and RO's issued a year but there are less than 5,000 records in the database.
Being a "fugitive from justice" is a criteria for gun rights disability . . . there are under 400,000 records in the database . . . I think there are that many failure to appear bench warrants open in Philly just by itself LOL.
The funniest (not really) thing is that the anti-gun left is pining for registries of 300,000,000 million guns and 75,000,000 gun owners but they can't keep an easy list of known criminals, wifebeaters, nutjobs and druggies current and accurate.
Even if criminals aren't prosecuted for lying on the background check form, background checks do stop criminals from buying guns. If background checks were expanded, more criminals would be stopped from buying a gun.
According to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of gun manufacturers and sellers, and against the reality that many nations do manage to stop criminals from getting guns in large numbers, there is nothing that can be done.
The "reality" is that most of those nations with strict gun controls and low gun crime rates have had gun control for a long time, sometimes for centuries enacted for political purposes, not crime control. The more recent laws enacted to combat crime are less effective because much of these nation's crime problem has been imported via immigration. Those people tend not to be the loyal, subservient populous that have abided by political gun control.
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So why try according to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.
Stawman.
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
Much like those who were opposed to gay marriage and thought, they could never be defeated, the gun manufacturers and the NRA and gun sellers, will be on the wrong side of history and ultimately political losers.
Keep telling yourself that and keep stumbling along in constitutional ignorance.
The issue of gun rights is not a political issue.
"The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's . . . fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
The math doesn't work for them. Fewer and fewer households own guns. In fact, the majority of households don't have a gun in it. It is only a matter of time until that reality manifests itself politically.
Fewer and fewer households have penises in them . . . that doesn't mean there are fewer men.
"Households" is the catch-all for disingenuous social "scientists" crafting results oriented studies.
Even if criminals aren't prosecuted for lying on the background check form, background checks do stop criminals from buying guns. If background checks were expanded, more criminals would be stopped from buying a gun.
Didn't your side laugh at Nancy Reagan for saying, "Just say no"?
According to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of gun manufacturers and sellers, and against the reality that many nations do manage to stop criminals from getting guns in large numbers, there is nothing that can be done.
So why try according to gun nuts, and the NRA which is the mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers and gun sellers.
Much like those who were opposed to gay marriage and thought, they could never be defeated, the gun manufacturers and the NRA and gun sellers, will be on the wrong side of history and ultimately political losers.
The math doesn't work for them. Fewer and fewer households own guns. In fact, the majority of households don't have a gun in it. It is only a matter of time until that reality manifests itself politically.
If fewer and fewer households choose to not own a gun - who cares? That's their choice. Nobody's freedom is impacted.
This is why you cannot have a rational conversation with a leftist...they call names and talk down to people who enjoy guns.....
This has been proven wrong so many times.....but you continue to spew leftist talking points....
Continue on....
Gun nuts are gun nuts and this nation has plenty. The NRA is the mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers and sellers.
Fewer and fewer households do own guns. This declining trend in gun ownership has been going on for a long time. The majority of American households don't own guns. This has been consistent across many polls over and over again.
The "reality" is that most of those nations with strict gun controls and low gun crime rates have had gun control for a long time, sometimes for centuries enacted for political purposes, not crime control. The more recent laws enacted to combat crime are less effective because much of these nation's crime problem has been imported via immigration. Those people tend not to be the loyal, subservient populous that have abided by political gun control.
Stawman.
Keep telling yourself that and keep stumbling along in constitutional ignorance.
The issue of gun rights is not a political issue.
"The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's . . . fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624, 638 (1943)
Fewer and fewer households have penises in them . . . that doesn't mean there are fewer men.
"Households" is the catch-all for disingenuous social "scientists" crafting results oriented studies.
Australia is a recent example, but I know, blah, blah, blah.
What does immigration have to do with gun laws? Oh yeah, fear of the "other" xenophobia and gun nuttery general go together. So let me guess, the mexicans is gonna take over, or brown people the world over move to nations and don't respect the law.... just pure nonsense. I have no idea why you brought that up in this discussion.
The constitution can be amended, the supreme court can change decisions, congress can vote for new laws.
Just remember, the supreme court didn't say the government couldn't regulate gun ownership.
So now the word households is a catch all? LOL Keep not knowing.
You toss out another irrelevant insane conspiracy, the social scientists are out to get gun nuts, too? Who isn't out to get the gun nuts?
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