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Old 05-17-2013, 07:39 PM
 
Location: California
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This is flat out wrong. The law is specifically written that the police can ask you at anytime they suspect you might be here illegally.

So if you are walking down the street, in Arizona if a police officer suspects you are here illegally the Arizona law gives him the authority to come up to you stop and say papers please, prove you are here legally.


The Arizona Act additionally made it a state misdemeanor crime for an alien to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents, required that state law enforcement officers attempt to determine an individual's immigration status during a "lawful stop, detention or arrest", or during a "lawful contact" not specific to any activity when there is reasonable suspicion that the individual is an illegal immigrant.
So basically you fail to comprehend your own bolded part. You don't know what parts of the law were allowed and what parts weren't.

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Upheld

The court let stand one of the most controversial parts of the bill -- a provision that lets police check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally.
Struck down

The Supreme Court's 5-3 ruling struck down key parts of the Arizona law. Provisions struck down included:
• Authorizing police to arrest immigrants without warrant where "probable cause" exists that they committed any public offense making them removable from the country.
Making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification.
• Forbidding those not authorized for employment in the United States to apply, solicit or perform work. That would include immigrants standing in a parking lot who "gesture or nod" their willingness to be employed.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf

 
Old 05-17-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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So basically you fail to comprehend your own bolded part. You don't know what parts of the law were allowed and what parts weren't.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf

Yes, I know the making a crime aspect of papers please part of law was struck down, but the police still can ask for your papers please to prove you are a citizen.

Also, a crime could be jay walking. The police are given wide latitude to stop people for all kinds of reasons.

They aren't punished if they stop people who aren't committing a crime.

So basically the police can stop whom ever they deem suspicious and ask them to prove their citizenship with their papers please/form of documentation.

That is without a doubt racial profiling and it is without a doubt that conservatives support those measures.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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So basically you fail to comprehend your own bolded part. You don't know what parts of the law were allowed and what parts weren't.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-182b5e1.pdf
Conservatives were upset that parts of the Arizona law were struck down.

Many right wingers have no problem with the government targeting innocent minorities.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
Yes, I know the making a crime aspect of papers please part of law was struck down, but the police still can ask for your papers please to prove you are a citizen.

Also, a crime could be jay walking. The police are given wide latitude to stop people for all kinds of reasons.

They aren't punished if they stop people who aren't committing a crime.

So basically the police can stop whom ever they deem suspicious and ask them to prove their citizenship with their papers please/form of documentation.

That is without a doubt racial profiling and it is without a doubt that conservatives support those measures.
No, they can't. What the police can ask for is ID (provided they have someone they have stopped for lawful reason), if there is no ID, they can pursue further and ask questions regarding status.

If police stop someone who they do not have lawful reason to stop, then, YES, they do get punished as the person stopped files a complaint or other form of objection. The law does not allow them to be arrested for being here without ID documents.

NO, the police can not stop whom ever they deem suspicious and ask them to prove their status.

Your mis-understanding of LAW shines bright.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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By calling them "innocent" minorities there is the implication that the white majority is guilty of something? Are all minorities "innocent"? I doubt that.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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Conservatives were upset that parts of the Arizona law were struck down.

Many right wingers have no problem with the government targeting innocent minorities.
Many left wingers have no problem with the government targeting innocent minorities
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Many left wingers have no problem with the government targeting innocent minorities
I don't get that terminology. INNOCENT? What does that mean? Does it mean that all those belonging to small groups are innocent angels and that those who belong to larger groups or majorities are evil? That whole premise is askew.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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I don't get that terminology. INNOCENT? What does that mean? Does it mean that all those belonging to small groups are innocent angels and that those who belong to larger groups or majorities are evil? That whole premise is askew.
The whole thread is askew. Its a dumb troll flamer thread to begin with. I just reversed the premise of the op.... simple and stupid
 
Old 05-17-2013, 08:26 PM
 
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No, they can't. What the police can ask for is ID (provided they have someone they have stopped for lawful reason), if there is no ID, they can pursue further and ask questions regarding status.

If police stop someone who they do not have lawful reason to stop, then, YES, they do get punished as the person stopped files a complaint or other form of objection. The law does not allow them to be arrested for being here without ID documents.

NO, the police can not stop whom ever they deem suspicious and ask them to prove their status.

Your mis-understanding of LAW shines bright.
Are you being dense on purpose? The police can stop you for any reason they want. Jay walking is against the law. The police can say that guy was jay walking or use the police catch all the suspect was acting suspicious.
That is all the reason they need.

This is done all the time by the police.
The Arizona papers please law gives the police the right to come up to anyone they deem suspicious and ask them to prove their citizenship. Keep being dense.
 
Old 05-17-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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I don't get that terminology. INNOCENT? What does that mean? Does it mean that all those belonging to small groups are innocent angels and that those who belong to larger groups or majorities are evil? That whole premise is askew.
Majority of people, including minorities, are not criminals. To a misanthrope or racist that is hard to believe, but it's true.
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