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Old 05-22-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Huck, you sound like me. The harder I work, the luckier I get.

Luck happens when opportunity and hard work meet.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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Luck happens when opportunity and hard work meet.
No, luck happens when something completely out of your control, yet undeniably beneficial to your life, falls onto one's lap.

Opportunity, often times, is created by the independent hard work of an individual.

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Old 05-22-2013, 01:14 PM
 
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No, luck happens when something completely out of your control, yet undeniably beneficial to your life, falls onto one's lap.

Opportunity, often times, is created by the independent hard work of an individual.
How come so many lottery winners go broke so fast?
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Do Government employees ever build anything?

Other than themselves and other Government employees?
of course i did i saved the money i made and used it to buy and pay off small properties. i already told u that. why is this so hard to hear. yes we built it. sweat tears and scrimping and hard labor and long hours.
the truth, u can make it if you try. its not income redistribution and equality. its owning your own stuff and doing something with your life. if i can do it so can u.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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of course i did i saved the money i made and used it to buy and pay off small properties. i already told u that. why is this so hard to hear. yes we built it. sweat tears and scrimping and hard labor and long hours.
the truth, u can make it if you try. its not income redistribution and equality. its owning your own stuff and doing something with your life. if i can do it so can u.
It is hard for many people who are envious of others to understand the concept of the extra effort and sacrifice needed to get ahead. Sure they work hard and even put in overtime, but in many cases they live paycheck to paycheck, not planning for the future. So just because someone might be a government worker does not mean they cannot save, invest, and create extra wealth outside of their own 9-5 salary.

On a personal level I have worked for others(private Co's and briefly local government), and now I work for myself. I have never been given anything from the government in the form of a handout, low interest loan, etc., yet I am probably considered upper middle class now.
It took decades to achieve, so we are not talking about a lottery windfall. Yet there are those such as the OP who believe our wealth and financial independence stem from the government.

In reality I would be farther ahead today if not for government regulation and interference. Heck had the government not discriminated against me because I am a white man via affirmative action, I'd even be further ahead. Sure I pay my taxes for the common defense of our nation, and to support the underclass, and it makes me sick when I see all the waste and abuse of the system.
Yet I was not satisfied with just getting by, and strived to achieve more. That is the American dream and what many people work to achieve. Yet those like the OP want to believe we should have a insect like mentality to work for the common good, to make sure everyone has an equal outcome.
What they fail to realize is that their idea of a Utopian society will still have inequities as doctors and lawyers will not be cleaning sewers or digging ditches. Yet those type of jobs will always be needed, but society will not put the same value on manual labor as it does lifesavers and leaders who help write the laws of our society. If it did, why go through all the extra time and expense of 6 plus years of education.

The bottom line is that many socialists have no real clue what our society would devolve into if they had their way over the course of even a few decades. So yes, I did build my relative wealth, in spite of the government, not because of it.
Why that is so hard for some to understand will always be beyond my comprehension.


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Old 05-23-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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Is there any greater lie in American culture and politics than the "self-made" man or woman? Think about the utter self-absorption, myopia and narcissism of this sentiment. It's bandied about frequently in politics. A few years ago, 60 Minutes was doing a story on America's richest people. They had one CEO on who became quite emotional in describing all the people who helped him get to where he is and how offensive it is to believe that one gets to the top of the economic ladder by oneself. Parents, teachers, bosses, colleagues, employees, all the people with whom it would be impossible to get rich without their help.

It's somewhat ironic, in that the same folks who swallow this garbage hook, line and sinker are the same ones who get worked up when an athlete in a team sport speaks as if the successes of the team have been due solely to their own personal efforts and neglects all the others who contributed.

No, friend, you didn't "build that" yourself. Between the countless people who helped you and the governmental and societal contributions, you are one part of the larger puzzle. Get over your self-obsessions and narcissism.
This is the rant of someone who has never really accomplished anything of substance in their life.
They are compensating for their own lack of success by making a lame attempt at belittling people who have achieved a level of success.

If in fact his rant had any validity, it would make his lack of success even more pathetic as with so much help from others available, there is virtually no excuse for anyone not to succeed, and those who do not deserve in full of their lot in life.

You see you cannot have it both ways, either it is hard to get ahead and there is just reason for people to fail, or it is easy and people have no reason to fail.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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It's bias.

I'm not big on the political angle but people are so self-absorbed they simply can't admit they aren't special, gifted, or "one in a million". That's why certain folks have this absurd mentality that they've overcome odds like no other. They've done something so special. They did it despite others not with the help of others.

I have a news flash for the guy on welfare working at a fast food joint and the owner of two pizzerias in Anytown, USA:

If you went to get a job in Albert Einstein's lab...you'd both sweep up after he was done for the day. No atom splitting for you.

If you went to get a job with Daniel Hillel (Nobel Prize winner for irrigation advancement)...you'd get his lunch at noon every day. No crop production analysis for you.

If you went to get a job for the legendary rock 'n roll band The Who you'd be a roadie in training. No Baba O'Riley for you.

But you know what? It's ok!!! You're a human being that deserves respect and the opportunity to do whatever you like. Your life deserves the same dignity that everyone else does.

Just please stop thinking you've done something remotely important for society.
HUH?
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:34 AM
 
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Double "Huh?!"

“A bureau operates on opposite principles of inventing needs to justify its existence. Bureaucracy is wrong as a cancer, a turning away from the human evolutionary direction of infinite potentials and differentiation and independent spontaneous action to the complete parasitism of a virus…Bureaus die when the structure of the state collapse. They are as helpless and unfit for independent existence as a displaced tapeworm, or a virus that has killed the host.”

The attempt to destroy the individual | Jon Rappoport's Blog
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Man has been on this earth for ... well, I don't want to start that debate, but let's just say for a VERY long time. In one sense, NO ONE does anything alone. I mean, if you boil it down, in order for any of us to claim we accomplished anything "alone," we'd have to get up naked every morning after sleeping in the woods, and discover how to build fire and invent the wheel.

So...in one sense, there's truth to the argument that no one builds anything by themselves. We all piggy back on the accomplishments, inventions, ideas of others, whether we realize that or not.

But that's only one side of the picture. Turn it over and you'll see the other side. You'll see that you can have two people with the same starting point, the same opportunities, the same challenges - and one person will be a leader, a visionary, a success when it comes to setting and accomplishing goals, advancing new concepts and making those concepts become a reality. The other person, with the same starting point, simply DOESN'T have the same track record. Maybe they don't want it, and that's fine. Maybe they choose not to make the sacrifices necessary to accomplish those goals. Maybe tragedy strikes them and they truly can't.

But sometimes one or more of the above transpires in their lives, and they look over at the other person and think, "Now I want that." That's when the trouble begins.

Have you noticed that criminals can always justify their behavior? They rarely break the law and/or hurt others and proudly proclaim that they know it's wrong but they just wanted to do it anyway. No, they can always give a justification - and it makes sense to them when they're telling you why they did what they did. But criminals are generally lazy. They want what others have, and yet they don't want to make the same effort or sacrifices that others made to have those things.

In other words, they don't want to make the effort to build it - but they feel entitled to it all the same. And they justify their behavior toward the person they're hurting or stealing from, by dehumanizing or demonizing that person, or by claiming that life isn't fair and all they're doing is evening the score.

"He doesn't deserve that any more than I do. He didn't earn it any more than I did. He took from others, so I'll take from him. He has more than he needs. I need it more than he does. He can go get another one. He'll never miss it.

He couldn't have done it without me."

The walls of prisons ring with statements like these.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: DFW
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"He doesn't deserve that any more than I do. He didn't earn it any more than I did. He took from others, so I'll take from him. He has more than he needs. I need it more than he does. He can go get another one. He'll never miss it.

He couldn't have done it without me."

The walls of prisons ring with statements like these.
The Prisons and The White House.
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