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Only there aren't distinct human breeds, there is no AKC for humans that define the breeds, and there is too much overlap and mixing as well as other factors like cultural and dietary factors.
What's funny though about hispanics is that when someone states that all hispanics are great little workers, the hispanics all nod their heads in agreement and their chests swell with racial pride. When someone measures their IQs and finds they aren't the top in IQ, they cry racism.
Group statistics really don't change the fact that some individual's IQ or intelligence level is all that matters as far as that individual is concerned. If your IQ is 130 or if it's 70, it really doesn't matter what your group's average is. It does matter as far as the groups go though -- Texas is realizing the changing demographics and lowering educational standards and is considering dropping math requirements for a high school diploma. Fewer standards and tests, less math will mean higher high school graduation rates.
This is like comparing psychology to sociology. For some things (individual behavior, achievement) individual factors dominate. For others, the normative standards of the group have an influence. Having spent time in Sweden and Ireland, I will say that the Irish tend to be chatty and extraverted, the Swedes introverted and pensive. Individuals vary, of course, but the group character makes an impression.
Now, with political potentialities, the average intelligence of the group would seem very likely to affect its ability to innovate, for literacy, critical thinking, and scientific understanding to disseminate across the population, and for many consequences of organized, rational behavior, such as low infant mortality, educational acheivement, and rejection of political or religious dogmas. This is precisely what you see. Highly intelligent populations are likely to produce safer, more innovative, and more economically stable societies in my observation.
If the normative standards and mores are set by higher intelligence populations, which expect literacy, education, and self-development, as they do in the most advanced countries, people with slightly lower intelligence can and will move toward the mean, if not in metrics (IQ,etc.), at least in behavior, gradually narrowing "achievement gaps." However, if the average intelligence is lower, the emphasis put on intellectual achievement will be lower, and nonintellectual behaviors dominate. This may be why minorities assimilate rapidly when an integrated (blacks outside the South, hispanics outside the Southwest, asians in most places), but when they dominate in ghettos the performance and character of the entire population diverges from the larger population standards (Detroit, El Paso, East LA).
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Uh; since "Hispanic" ain't a race; I don't really believe Richwine all that much.
Like us "Irish": some of us are smart, some are dumb and the rest fall in the middle. Tho illegal aliens from Mexico ain't real smart as a group; otherwise, they'd stay home and do better. I'm gonna say Hispanic people who come here LEGALLY are as smart or smarter than an average US citizen.
This is like comparing psychology to sociology. For some things (individual behavior, achievement) individual factors dominate. For others, the normative standards of the group have an influence. Having spent time in Sweden and Ireland, I will say that the Irish tend to be chatty and extraverted, the Swedes introverted and pensive. Individuals vary, of course, but the group character makes an impression.
Now, with political potentialities, the average intelligence of the group would seem very likely to affect its ability to innovate, for literacy, critical thinking, and scientific understanding to disseminate across the population, and for many consequences of organized, rational behavior, such as low infant mortality, educational acheivement, and rejection of political or religious dogmas. This is precisely what you see. Highly intelligent populations are likely to produce safer, more innovative, and more economically stable societies in my observation.
If the normative standards and mores are set by higher intelligence populations, which expect literacy, education, and self-development, as they do in the most advanced countries, people with slightly lower intelligence can and will move toward the mean, if not in metrics (IQ,etc.), at least in behavior, gradually narrowing "achievement gaps." However, if the average intelligence is lower, the emphasis put on intellectual achievement will be lower, and nonintellectual behaviors dominate. This may be why minorities assimilate rapidly when an integrated (blacks outside the South, hispanics outside the Southwest, asians in most places), but when they dominate in ghettos the performance and character of the entire population diverges from the larger population standards (Detroit, El Paso, East LA).
Yes -- you have it exactly right.
The group average doesn't really mean much to me as an individual -- nor should it to anyone as an individual. If a hispanic has an IQ of 130, he will be able to compete as an idividual with any black or white American with a similar IQ.
The problem is when you are considering large groups though -- it doesn't really matter if the IQ is determined more by their DNA or more by their culture or nutrition or lead levels, the lower IQ of the group is going to mean that the group average is also going to be lower for high school graduation rates, lower for SAT scores, lower in wages and everything else where group averages matter.
It's also why their own nations have such poverty and conditions that so many millions are fleeing them, there are no inventions or innovations from these cultures. They aren't producing Einsteins, they're producing large numbers of school drop outs with very high birth rates. That means certain things for the USA now that we're taking them all in.
Texas right now is trying to solve the high drop out problem and lack of high school diplomas by eliminating algebra for these people. More might stay in school if the course work is simplified and the math requirements are dropped. Standardized testing with passing scores as a requirement for graduation is seen as very unfair to hispanics who do very poorly on standardized tests -- so if the requirement to pass these tests is dropped, then more will be likely to get their diplomas.
Obviously the smarter kids of this group can compete just fine -- but the group average cannot compete, they cannot meet the existing standards that were set for a smarter group so to accomodate them, anything relating to IQ will be lowered.
This would also be the case if we were taking in many tens of millions of the most impoverished from any nation. If Sweden were attempting to solve all it's social and poverty problems by sending us 30 million of it's worst off people then it would be those people lowering the IQ and creating a much larger group of lower IQ types -- their race alone does not get them a good IQ. Two Swedish parents with IQs of 75 aren't going to be as likely to have kids with IQs of 130 -- they might but it's not as likely as two parents with iQs of 130.
There is a genetic component to intelligence but it's not racial per se -- just like if there are two Guatemalan parents with IQ's of 75 or with IQ's of 130.
Massive immigration isn't the only reason the US's IQ averages are dropping. We're also paying the lowest IQ types to breed but we penalize the more educated with very high taxes so they can't afford children. Rarely are those with IQ's over 120 having 6 or 7 kids, they're having 0-2 while the least capable are hitting it bigtime with all the welfare programs and have incentives to have many children they cannot afford.
Like it or not -- the IQ of the USA is dropping. That means something when it comes to the future. High school must be made much easier or fewer diplomas will be given.
In Oregon -- 53% of births are to welfare households -- births paid for by the taxpayers, births to those who cannot earn a living, who lack job skills and education. There might be some welfare recipients with IQs over 100 but you know there's a definite leftward shift when it comes to the IQs of the welfare dependent types -- irregardless of race.
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I love the race baiters on this forum! First "blacks" have Low IQ's now it is "Hispanics"!
Stats say just that. Didn't know statistics were "racist".
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