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Old 05-21-2013, 07:39 AM
 
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Some people don't deserve the same level of healthcare as everyone else. People should get care based on their value to the country. If you aren't paying much in taxes, you are expendable. Wealthy and productive citizens should get a better plan.
Even the idiot sons of wealthy people?
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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Of course its doomed.. Government is destroying it.. Yaa big government..
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The government contracts out services because the providers of the service bribe their Congress Critters to grease the deal. Privatization is the result of corruption and the profits are the cause. We are not operating in an open market system and have not been since before WW2. Due to this corruption the Army is willing to pay a private contractor many times as much for a truck driver than a soldier doing the job.

I am amused that our government will go to any extreme to find 'terrorists" but do nothing to control international monopoly petroleum that threatens our economy with obscene prices.

I repeat my original contention that health care services could be provided at far less costs starting by eliminating the private insurance company’s processing costs, executive salaries and profits.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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Of course its doomed.. Government is destroying it.. Yaa big government..
It was doomed several years ago. Major legislation of one form or the other would have taken place anyway, either Obamacare or some form of Romneycare. Now we are at this point.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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The government contracts out services because the providers of the service bribe their Congress Critters to grease the deal. Privatization is the result of corruption and the profits are the cause. We are not operating in an open market system and have not been since before WW2. Due to this corruption the Army is willing to pay a private contractor many times as much for a truck driver than a soldier doing the job.

I am amused that our government will go to any extreme to find 'terrorists" but do nothing to control international monopoly petroleum that threatens our economy with obscene prices.

I repeat my original contention that health care services could be provided at far less costs starting by eliminating the private insurance company’s processing costs, executive salaries and profits.
Why are you focused on insurance companies? Insurance companies should be allowed/forced to compete across state lines, but aside from that there isn't much you can do from an insurance standpoint. Insurance companies don't charge you $15 for an Advil at a hospital. Get rid of insurance altogether and you still have to pay the Dr's, nurses, technology and the hospitals will still control the price.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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I have thought this through. If any "top earners" send themselves or their profits off shore they will be found and prosecuted for tax evasion. If we can chase "terrorists" all over the world we can easily find the tax cheats.

Wealth transfer works both ways. The rich take profits, frequently monopoly profits, from the mass consumers and, in a properly functioning system; the consumers tax the rich for essential services such as health care.
So a person moving overseas is now something that would label them a 'terrorist'? I don't think any of us want to live in such an oppressive society that treats hardworking people that way.

Incorporating a company in another country is not 'cheating'. If you would tone down your blind hatred for anyone more successful than yourself, you might actually see the disastrous macroeconomic reverberations of your incredibly short sighted idea.

And consumers already take benefits from the wealthy. The wealthy already pay the vast majority of the taxes in this country. When do the rest of the people step up and start paying their fair share?
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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Paying for UHC is easy. Just apply a flat tax to all income from all sources over the 90th percentile. Save money by eliminating private insurance and medical corporation executive pay and profit from the system. The resultant system would be administered by unpaid government computers run by low paid government programmers. Just eliminating one Insurance CEO's salary could probably pay for administering the entire system. Once the system was operating it could then negotiate drug, medical equipment and service prices. That would save the public a huge amount of money. The private sector looters currently operating the system would be less than happy.
There is no way that would work. A UHC tax would have to be implemented similar to the payroll tax. You would need a flat tax of 10 or 15% on income below like $300K. Virtually identical to what they have in the UK.

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Old 05-21-2013, 08:08 AM
 
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Obamacare was always designed to fail. They implement ACA, it fails under skyrocketing health care costs and inadequate coverage for individuals and the government has no choice but to move to a single payer system; not overnight, but bit by bit.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Why would companies who are now not required to offer anything, scale down what they offer?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:24 AM
 
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Why would companies who are now not required to offer anything, scale down what they offer?
It is difficult to attract talent without offering some sort of health care. Under the new system it will often be more cost effective for a company to scale back health insurance than to continue to offer previously implemented plans.

Has any liberal thought about this from a company's fiscal point of view?
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