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Old 05-21-2013, 08:33 AM
 
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Yes because you dont like what it says, then the source isnt valid.

How about the Wall Street Journal?
Health Law Costs: Employers Eye Bare-Bones Plans - WSJ.com
wow, i didn't expect to see you defending the credibility of a trotskyite news publication.

i don't dispute the premise of the article; i didn't even read what it said. i'm just not going to waste my time reading propaganda from the World Socialist News or whatever it is called.

your WSJ link is behind a paywall. i used to subscribe, but not anymore.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It is difficult to attract talent without offering some sort of health care. Under the new system it will often be more cost effective for a company to scale back health insurance than to continue to offer previously implemented plans.

Has any liberal thought about this from a company's fiscal point of view?
If companies have to offer health care now to attract talent, when nothing is required, why will they change? What motivation will they have? It would be more cost-effective now for them to offer nothing, or some basic plan. My experience is that engineering firms usually offer pretty good ins. now, far better than dr's offices do. Large hospital groups also offer good ins.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Employers are the greedy villains here. Interesting that they have the gall to blame Obama care for their own selfishness.

What coverage would they have provided their employees if Obamacare did not exist?

What law existed regarding employer provided health insurance before Obamacare?

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a crop of benefits advisers and insurance brokers is sprouting up to pitch these low-benefit plans to employers.
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Details of these “skinny” plans are the latest confirmation that the Obama health-care overhaul is tailored to the profit interests of big business and the private insurance industry.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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This may/should result in removing health care from employment and creating universal health care like the rest of the civilized world.
If Hillary is elected.

Sweeden has a viable template I believe.

'Lean hospital a sign of Swedish welfare reform' - The Local

A hybrid type system seems to work with the most efficiency.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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...employee offered health care only came about when the government imposed wage ceilings in the middle of the century. It was a way of getting around government-imposed control of wages to employees. It was never the best solution. Profit is a good thing, and if the health care system was allowed to act like any other business we would see dramatically lowered costs. Government interaction has always been the problem, not the solution.

It is funny how democrats don't bother to educate themselves on the history or reasoning behind an issue before talking about it.
These wage ceilings no longer exist today, so what is your point?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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Good reason to not be reliant on your employer for health needs.

??? When you're making minimum wage WTF do you expect?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Some people don't deserve the same level of healthcare as everyone else. People should get care based on their value to the country. If you aren't paying much in taxes, you are expendable. Wealthy and productive citizens should get a better plan.
Yep. That is the Republican plan, "Hitlercare."
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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You should probably figure out a way to pay for the government health plans you already have first, don't you think?


one way to do that is to (gasp) tax the employee health benefits workers now get for free, but the middle class thinks they are entitled to freebies like that.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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These wage ceilings no longer exist today, so what is your point?

once people get a freebie, it becomes entrenched because people come to believe they are entitled to it.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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It is difficult to attract talent without offering some sort of health care. Under the new system it will often be more cost effective for a company to scale back health insurance than to continue to offer previously implemented plans.

Has any liberal thought about this from a company's fiscal point of view?
If you mean like what this company has been doing, then yes we have thought about it.

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Walmart’s health care plans fail to cover hundreds of thousands of associates. In 2009, Walmart claimed that 52% of associates were covered under their healthcare plan. The company has refused to disclose coverage rates for its 1.4 million U.S. employees since then.

Walmart stopped offering health insurance to part-time employees (working less than 24 hours per week) in 2012.

Taxpayers are forced to provide healthcare for Walmart’s Associates. Hundreds of thousands of Associates and their family members qualify for publicly funded health insurance. Indeed, according to data compiled by Good Jobs First, in 21 of 23 states which have disclosed information, Walmart has the largest number of employees on the public rolls of any employer.
Healthcare » Making Change at Walmart
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