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Old 05-22-2013, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Is each of our states sovereign, with their own Constitutions??

What you don't understand is the EU is modeled after our States Union.
Each state has a parallel sovereignty, meaning state and federal go hand in hand.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:24 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Each state has a parallel sovereignty, meaning state and federal go hand in hand.

Oh, do they....


Seems the States are making their own decisions to gain back their sovereignty, that is making the Federal Government mad.
Same as the EU, when one goes rouge.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:43 AM
 
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Smaller government is better & we did absolutely fine before they existed.
small government sounds great until people realize what they have to give up.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:46 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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small government sounds great until people realize what they have to give up.

It wasn't theirs to take, in the first place.
When the people realize they can vote themselves the Treasury of the United States, the experiment in a government by the people, will end.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:54 AM
 
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It wasn't theirs to take, in the first place.
When the people realize they can vote themselves the Treasury of the United States, the experiment in a government by the people, will end.
like i said in another thread, people will lose their minds when find out what small government truly looks like. Take Medicare for example. Old white republican voters would **** a brick if they lost Medicare. I'd like to how much they are yelling for small government when they try to get private insurance at the of 67. How about those businesses who have advantages because of certain tax code laws, and when you eliminate taxes, their profits go into the toilet. If small government is the utopia that republicans claim it is, why can't anybody point to red states that shows small government in action?
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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You will never end the IRS. You might just change the name. No matter what kind of tax system you have, somebody has to report it, somebody has to assess it and somebody has to collect it...and somebody has to report to Congress on it.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You will never end the IRS. You might just change the name. No matter what kind of tax system you have, somebody has to report it, somebody has to assess it and somebody has to collect it...and somebody has to report to Congress on it.
Thank you, that was the point I was trying to get at that some posters were trying so hard to avoid saying.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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With all its flaws, the IRS is recognized as one of the best, most efficient, most high-tech and well-run tax offices in the world. (Yet they deal with the worst, least efficient and least well-thought-out tax code in the world. That is what must be revised--the U.S. federal tax code.) The IRS local office in Cincinnati overstepped its bounds, but I sincerely doubt there's a conspiracy here, of any kind. The recent scandal is just a reason for conservative activists to scream bloody murder about the Godless Black Socialist Born In Kenya. Their conspiracy theories will go nowhere. And besides, if this should bring new energy into the tired old Limbaugh-Hannity-Coulter corner of the GOP, isn't that good news for the Republican Party and for the Tea Party as well?
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Pa
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So we should end taxation? Yeah, that would go over well.
The IRS is a bloated too powerful money sucking pig. A simplified tax system could eliminate much of the IRS and save the country billions of not more. Imagine if every state and every municipality was as complicated as our federal system? We need to collect taxes, but do we need a department that hires somewhere around 100,000 full time employees? That is a huge payroll combine this with the benefit packages and the cost is staggering. Add to this a very low accountability for misdeeds and abuse of power.
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Someone needs to ask Rand Paul..."Is you father an idiot, or do you believe as he does???".
Someone needs to ask Chimuelojones..."Does an idiot think the only way to tax and gain revenue for the government is through income tax?"
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