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Old 05-21-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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I think the scrutiny seems justified, given the overtly political nature of the tea party movement.
Could you agree an organization with the term "progress" in their name was overtly political?

If you can agree to that then the scrutiny was not justified becsue it was not being equally applied to ALL political groups, groups with the term progress in their name sailed through this process. . If you cannot understand why what the IRS has done is wrong that is just sad.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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Why is it so hard to believe that more of them would be scrutinized than other types of groups, when there were so many more of them percentage-wise? It makes sense strictly from the numbers.
LOL.. except that is not what has happened here.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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Stop rattling your chains, and get back to WORK !
There's nothing mysterious about tyranny and corruption in government. It's been part of the deal since the "New Deal" and the State of Emergency in 1933.

Did you think you were living in a "free" country?
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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The scandal is that liberal groups doing the same political activities weren't harassed in the same routine systemic way. Many conservative groups were discouraged to the point that they gave up.

There is a scandal.

We can debate the law and if the tax exempt status should exist, but that is a moot point to the political corruption in granting the status.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:17 PM
 
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Overtly political might be a good flag for further scrutiny. Groups with "tea party" and "patriot" in their name is not.
You are kidding me, right?
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Could you agree an organization with the term "progress" in their name was overtly political?

If you can agree to that then the scrutiny was not justified becsue it was not being equally applied to ALL political groups, groups with the term progress in their name sailed through this process. . If you cannot understand why what the IRS has done is wrong that is just sad.
Well, I could well be wrong on this topic. The IRS probably did not act as unbiased as it should, nor did they do their job well.

However, I think that the notion that Tea Party and Patriot groups are not politically engaged is ridiculous. Clearly they are, and so, evaluating the degree of political engagement seems like what the reviewers are supposed to do. I honestly don't know how long that is supposed to take to do.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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They could have just formed a PAC but would have to turn over their donor list and didn't want their donors to be targeted by............well..............IRS!!
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:24 PM
 
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You are kidding me, right?
No they are not kidding, nearly everyone of these groups is going to have some kind of political agenda. You might as well scrap the thoughts of any list and flag them all.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Well, I could well be wrong on this topic. The IRS probably did not act as unbiased as it should, nor did they do their job well.
There is no probably here, the IRS has admitted it was wrong. Even your savior has called their actions and I quote "outrageous".

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evaluating the degree of political engagement seems like what the reviewers are supposed to do.
Correct but that doesn't mean they get to pick and choose what political group they are going to go after. These reviews and the reasons for the reviews need to be apolitcal.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Well, I could well be wrong on this topic. The IRS probably did not act as unbiased as it should, nor did they do their job well.

However, I think that the notion that Tea Party and Patriot groups are not politically engaged is ridiculous. Clearly they are, and so, evaluating the degree of political engagement seems like what the reviewers are supposed to do. I honestly don't know how long that is supposed to take to do.
Where have you seen the arguement that they are not? The point is about picking winners and losers and the IRS is not allowed to do that! The dems in congress are upset about this too! Even though its because it came out as apposed to the reason the reps are upset which is because it happened.

Theres a slippery slope with taxes. They are so called volentary but you go to jail or get the money pulled from your account if you dont pay it. Thats not so volentary is it? Well what happens if half the country doesnt believe in this volentary thing and pulls all their money out of they system and refuses to pay taxes? Businesses and workers? A new revolution? Thats why the dems are worried! They see the end game possiblities. Thats why gun control is so important to them. They see the anger in the right and are worried they are creating their own self proclaiming professey.
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