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Old 05-21-2013, 05:50 PM
 
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Liberals want laws on everything. They want laws for seatbelt use, laws on private property for historic preservation....thousands of laws on everything.

-Where is the line drawn on liberty?

-Do many of you understand that this is a Federal-Republic and not a true Democracy (true Democracy is a mob-rule form of government), where rights are placed more on the individual, where in a Democracy the rights rests with society?

-In abortion its all about the "rights of the mother". Where are the rights of the defenseless child? I ask this not as a person who is involved in religion. Many of my other posts actually support atheists! It is hypocritical that you support so many other laws that shut down liberty and freedom but when it comes to the most helpless on this planet you are suddenly for "freedom and liberty"...in this case murder.

-On the abortion issue, where is the line drawn (6,7,8 months ok)?

-On historic preservation overlays on private property that most liberals support you cite the supreme court ruling of Penn Central vs NYC as a way of saying "this is correct". On the same token the US Supreme court has ruled that money is speech, yet you take issue with that and many other rulings. Is that not also hypocritical?
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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Liberals want laws on everything. They want laws for seatbelt use, laws on private property for historic preservation....thousands of laws on everything.

-Where is the line drawn on liberty?

-Do many of you understand that this is a Federal-Republic and not a true Democracy (true Democracy is a mob-rule form of government), where rights are placed more on the individual, where in a Democracy the rights rests with society?

-In abortion its all about the "rights of the mother". Where are the rights of the defenseless child? I ask this not as a person who is involved in religion. Many of my other posts actually support atheists! It is hypocritical that you support so many other laws that shut down liberty and freedom but when it comes to the most helpless on this planet you are suddenly for "freedom and liberty"...in this case murder.

-On the abortion issue, where is the line drawn (6,7,8 months ok)?

-On historic preservation overlays on private property that most liberals support you cite the supreme court ruling of Penn Central vs NYC as a way of saying "this is correct". On the same token the US Supreme court has ruled that money is speech, yet you take issue with that and many other rulings. Is that not also hypocritical?

There is a town in NJ that is Majority Republican. This town has a law called "BLUE LAWS", this law FORBIDS the selling of non essential products on Sundays. That kind of takes care of your premise that the demand for laws are a liberal only right.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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Liberals want laws on everything. They want laws for seatbelt use, laws on private property for historic preservation....thousands of laws on everything.

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-In abortion its all about the "rights of the mother".
Would you support a law that bans abortion?
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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There is a town in NJ that is Majority Republican. This town has a law called "BLUE LAWS", this law FORBIDS the selling of non essential products on Sundays. That kind of takes care of your premise that the demand for laws are a liberal only right.
That's it?

That settles it, then.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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Would you support a law that bans abortion?
No, but I rebel when my tax dollars pay for your abortion. I assume you're asking generally.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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There is a town in NJ that is Majority Republican. This town has a law called "BLUE LAWS", this law FORBIDS the selling of non essential products on Sundays. That kind of takes care of your premise that the demand for laws are a liberal only right.
So we can then agree on this. Every American citizen should have the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for all. I agree with your remark, no one should have their religion forced on others (your example is that of Christians pushing Sundays off).
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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This is just more tired, baseless partisan hack nonsense.

You can replace "liberal" with "conservative" (or, more accurately, "neoconservative") in the OP and change the issues mentioned from seat belts and historic preservation to interfering in the reproductive choices of private citizens, systematic discrimination in the form of opposition to same sex marriage, invasion of foreign nations with no justification, the pushing of teaching creationist BS in school science classes, faith-based initiatives, blue laws, etc., etc. and have a statement every bit as valid as the original post.

This is how you can know when a person is a hypocrite wearing their partisan hack blinders.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:03 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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No, but I rebel when my tax dollars pay for your abortion. I assume you're asking generally.
So you want a law that prohibits the use of tax dollars to pay for abortions. Never mind that such a law already exists.

(Incidentally, I'm a man and have never had, nor will I ever have, an abortion.)
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:04 PM
 
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Would you support a law that bans abortion?
I support abortion when it involves the mother's life being in jeopardy. If some woman has a early delivery and the medical staff take the child and kill it, that would be murder...lets say 8 months. However if a mother has an abortion at 7.5 months that would be legal. Explain the difference.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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I support abortion when it involves the mother's life being in jeopardy. If some woman has a early delivery and the medical staff take the child and kill it, that would be murder...lets say 8 months. However if a mother has an abortion at 7.5 months that would be legal. Explain the difference.
Late-term abortions are already illegal.

Do you want a law that bans *all* abortions?
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