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Florida passed that law in 2011, and federal judges near about fell over themselves to overturn it. For some reason, it's perfectly okay with the constitution to have to take a drug test for employment, but not for those on the dole.
Alabama just tried to pass a law requiring drug tests for welfare applicants with a history of drug use, but it didn't pass. I guess they realized that Florida's plan cost more than it saved, and in the end got struck down anyway.
Bears repeating.....didn't stand though I am all for it.
You do realize the majority of "druggies" they caught in Florida had only used marijuana, right? Please show me evidence that POT makes people neglect/abuse their children, steal, kill, rape, etc - because in the 36 years I've been on this planet, I don't think I've ever seen such a thing.
Over use of pot caused a family member to lose his wife and children. He would over use and get paranoid for a while. She finally had enough.
39.8% of welfare recipients are black, yet blacks only comprise 12 or 13% of the overall American population. On the other hand, whites are just 38.8% of welfare recipients.
And? Those blacks who are on welfare,a majority live in......the red states.
If we're talking about state laws (which often trump federal laws from local LE), you are wrong. It's now completely legal in two states, decriminalized in a number, and legal for medical use in around 12-15 states. I've had my medical card for almost a decade, and the local cops have always honored that - I have tested the theory more than once, lol.
But even in the states where it is illegal, I guess people don't always think of long-term consequences? That could explain a number of things in life, so again I refer you to something called "human nature." And if you think being on welfare is a party, I would recommend trying it for a while (especially with children) and reporting back to us later.
Not sure what you mean by "which I don't" - did you mean that you don't agree? If so, you are wrong once again!! Alcohol causes WAAAAYYY more problems than most drugs, especially if we're discussing marijuana. Fact. As for why we're comparing them, I have two answers for that...
1. Some of us aren't sheep who blindly accept "illegal = bad; legal = good," and can look beyond the often inconsistent and illogical laws. Until those laws are changed, we have every right to point out said inconsistencies, and to not allow legal substance abusers to get off without any recourse. Btw, have you ever researched WHY marijuana is illegal? Do it, and you might be surprised at some of the answers.
2. If they only test for illegal substances, does that mean they are okay with legal addictions/substances? In other words, should we/you support a welfare recipient spending all their money on booze and lottery tickets? I mean, apparently you don't care if something is harmful or wasteful, as long as the gub'ment says it's fine.
Alcohol causes more problems than crack? Really?
Fine. If people want to kill themselves with drugs,have at it.
Even though,I have never wanted to take meth. But it normal acccording to you.
I say go for it and to the poor kids whose Mom just lost the welfare because getting high is more important than taking care of her kids, the kids probably already receive free breakfast, lunch and in soem places dinner from the school.
We need ot stop this crutch of welfare. There are way too many people that are on it that shouldn't be and they continue to hobble along. For those that truly need it keep it going to help them.
In MA. we have a huge problem with EBT cards. Money is deposited into these accounts for the holders and there is no accountability for them. It is OK to buy Booze, drugs, get a tattoo, all on the tax payers dime. There is something like 60,000 cards that money gets sent to and the state doesn't know who has those cards and they don't want to crack down on it.
We need to get tough on these programs. America is becoming a country of slobs and low life slackers and they are bankrupting us.
Not to mention the recent report on the thousands who are deceased and getting welfare and SS checks. Someone is cashing them. Abusing the system is one thing; governmental incompetence another.
I say go for it and to the poor kids whose Mom just lost the welfare because getting high is more important than taking care of her kids, the kids probably already receive free breakfast, lunch and in soem places dinner from the school.
And on weekends? If someone's truly putting "getting high" above making sure their own children are fed, I really don't see how taking their food stamps away will help anything, because such a parent sounds addicted, and you cannot starve a chemical addiction away. Likely, the parent will either turn to other sorts of crime, find someone else to sponge off of, or simply go malnourished (along with their kids). There are soup kitchens in most towns, after all. Now, suppose such a parent is not addicted. Then your argument might make sense, but the fact that we are not doing the same for poor parents who spend money on alcohol or cigarettes shows inconsistency. Now, it's at this point, the entire angle shifts; proponents of this idea holler "But alcohol and cigarettes are not illegal!" Ahhh, just a moment ago, the alleged purpose was to make sure people weren't spending money on needless drugs that they could be spending on feeding their children. It would seem all of this is motivated by a prejudice against illegal drugs, not a concern for anyone's welfare, per se. And surely not a concern for "our tax dollars going down the drain!", because it just so happens that this plan backfired in Florida, costing the state far more money than it saved.
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We need ot stop this crutch of welfare. There are way too many people that are on it that shouldn't be and they continue to hobble along. For those that truly need it keep it going to help them.
This is a very general statement I think we all agree on. It's definitely a problem. Where we disagree is how it should be addressed. I say we require every able-bodied person on welfare/food stamps to prove they've applied for (without rejecting) a set number of jobs with employers that are verifiable. And where/if they are already doing this, make the number of jobs higher! I take no issue with making people on welfare/food stamps prove that they need it. At any rate, it seems to be a much more direct solution to the problem you're concerned with.
I still don't understand what benefit anyone can see that would say that a child growing up with a drug dependent parent/parents is a positive thing for that child and how this will break up families.
The issue is that not every drug user is drug dependent. In fact the majority are not and only use on occasion for recreational purposes. It's been estimated that about 90% of users of powder cocaine are recreational users, so yes, I think it would be a horrible thing to take a child away from his parents and throw him into the foster care system because mom and dad get intoxicated on occasion. Actually a lot of parents do, just with a legal substance (alcohol).
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Drugs and kiddie porn go well together
No it doesn't. I have no idea where you get that from but there is no link between drug use/drug addiction and kiddie porn. None at all.
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I watched the parent go in with kids in the car to pick up their monthly supply of crack after the welfare check came in the mail. Kids in the car.
Where did you see this and who was this disciplined crackhead who was picking up a months' supply?
39.8% of welfare recipients are black, yet blacks only comprise 12 or 13% of the overall American population. On the other hand, whites are just 38.8% of welfare recipients.
That depends on who you consider to be on the tax payer dole, because i consider all public servants from the pres on down to the local dog officer as being on welfare. We have 2 kinds of welfare and one is always on going with no end in sight. The job of pres should pay 4n to 8b thousand bucks a year and get no bennies there after or full pay retirement plans. These SOBS in congress are the same and vote them selve raises as they please. They should be doing these jobs because they can afford to, and take a tiken payment to do the right thing instead of rape the nation and then install govt special interest.
They need to be held accountable, more so than the poor.
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