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Old 05-23-2013, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Is $250K middle class?
Yes, I disagree with that logic too. Apprently some people think otherwise.

 
Old 05-23-2013, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Just in case anyone forgot, battery powered cars have a greater negative life cycle impact on the environment than your average econobox.
 
Old 05-24-2013, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I am not arguing you have to be very rich to buy Tesla, it is on the higher price tag side of the pendulum, I was arguing the logic of $250K middle class. Somehow I guess that was lost in translation.
No, it wasn't lost. I was pointing out the contradiction in those people who claim $250K is "middle class", while claiming you have to be "very rich" to afford a Tesla.
 
Old 05-24-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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I am not arguing you have to be very rich to buy Tesla, it is on the higher price tag side of the pendulum, I was arguing the logic of $250K middle class. Somehow I guess that was lost in translation.
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Is $250K middle class?
Why is it so hard for you folks to grasp the very simple concept of cost of living and the very easily understood concept that it's not uniform throughout the U.S.?

Your logic that because you make $250k/year there's no way you could be middle class just doesn't pan out.

So you make $250k and you live in D.C. That's the equivalent of making $174,000 in the State of Colorado and would be even less in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio.

So now that we're clear on that hopefully you'll dispense with the very narrow minded idea that because you think COL is universal does not mean that it a actually is.
 
Old 05-24-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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One good quarter does not a long-term successful car company make. I'm generally impressed with Tesla's product execution to date, but this game is far from played out. I'm not convinced that there's a sustainable demand for 5000 Model S's a quarter.
You missed the point entirely. I'd suggest you look up a few terms:

Hostile Takeover
Friendly Takeover
Reverse Takeover
Backflip Takeover

Maybe then you'll understand why and how companies avoid being taken over. That's assuming of course you like having American corporations stay here in the U.S. at least in some capacity wether it be engineering and research or full blown design, engineer, manufacturing and distribution.
 
Old 05-24-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Why is it so hard for you folks to grasp the very simple concept of cost of living and the very easily understood concept that it's not uniform throughout the U.S.?

Your logic that because you make $250k/year there's no way you could be middle class just doesn't pan out.

So you make $250k and you live in D.C. That's the equivalent of making $174,000 in the State of Colorado and would be even less in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio.

So now that we're clear on that hopefully you'll dispense with the very narrow minded idea that because you think COL is universal does not mean that it a actually is.
Going back to the wikipedia, if we adjust the 250K in DC to 164K, Alone you are somewhere above the 93rd percentile (it is lumped into 100K or more) but if it is combined, you make the 92nd.5 perecentlile as well. If anything, this is the very upper end middle class.
 
Old 05-24-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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Just in case anyone forgot, battery powered cars have a greater negative life cycle impact on the environment than your average econobox.
The batteries are fully recyclable and even rebuildable.

I hate what the government did here but we shouldn't take that out on the company.
 
Old 05-25-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I just read that North Carolina is trying to ban Tesla sales.

Texas has already passed some anti-Tesla laws.
 
Old 05-25-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The batteries are fully recyclable and even rebuildable.

I hate what the government did here but we shouldn't take that out on the company.
That doesn't address the initial environmental impact.
 
Old 05-25-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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I just read that North Carolina is trying to ban Tesla sales.

Texas has already passed some anti-Tesla laws.
They're trying to ban Tesla from selling their cars over the internet.

That should be something left-leaning folks like yourself get off on seeing as how they're cutting out whole networks of workers from managers, to sales persons, to mechanics, to accounting, to local banks, etc.
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