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View Poll Results: What is your experience with languages?
Anti-Spanish: Do not speak another language 8 14.81%
Anti-Spanish: Speak another language/studied extensively 25 46.30%
Pro-Spanish: Do not speak another language 6 11.11%
Pro-Spanish: Speak another language/studied extensively 15 27.78%
Voters: 54. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-26-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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Spanish is a perfectly good language and I give it extra points for being based on Latin, which makes it easier for me to understand - cerveza is derived from Latin, not borrowed from German as in some other European languages. Languages based on German confound me.

Gesundheit and farfegnugen.
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Old 05-26-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I speak Thai as a second language and I am against catering to any ethnic group. The language of our Government is English. The issue with pandering to Hispanics is that the rules don't apply to all groups equally.
For example when my wife who is Thai took her test for a learners permit to drive there were also Hispanics there. They were allowed a translator. I asked if my wife could have a translator. We were told no, the rules applied to Hispanics but not Thai's. My wife in fact needed no translator because she took the time and effort to learn the common language of our land. I only asked because I felt it was only fair if the Hispanics could do it then should be able to also.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Holiday, FL
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What if you're a tourist?
On one of my many trips through Quebec Province, in Canada, it was strongly suggested that if I were going to be passing through "their country", I should learn the language. The road and street signs were no problem, but some of the rest of the signs were more of a challenge since I do not speak French. And, I was only passing through. The person that made the suggestion was a police officer. I was also told that if I were going to live there, I would have no choice but to learn the language. Same officer.

It's the discrimination that I'm against. The only viable solution I see is that either everyone speaks all languages, or everyone speaks one language. Which one is easier?
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Old 05-27-2013, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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On one of my many trips through Quebec Province, in Canada, it was strongly suggested that if I were going to be passing through "their country",
Why the quotation marks? It most certainly is their country. Certainly a lot more than it is yours.
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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There is a lot of anti-Spanish language on this board when it comes to it being used in the United States. I constantly see "ENGLISH ONLY" propaganda on here. My question to those people who support such a doctrine is thus: Do you have any substantial experience with another language? Do you speak another language nearly fluent or fluent? Have you ever moved to another country that spoke a different language?

Those who are pro bi-lingual accommodations, etc., please share your experiences regarding these questions as well!
I am not "anti-Spanish." I have studied it a little, and it is the most beautiful language I've heard. However, I recognize there are huge benefits to having one common language. In fact it is probably a major reason for the economic success of the US. Imagine being in Europe where all scientific and technical work has to be translated into French, German Dutch, Swedish, etc. Or everyone has to learn a lingua franca (probably English). Learning a second language alone is a huge undertaking, and means hour upon hour that could be otherwise spent on math, science, etc.

There are other major benefits too. My state of WA seems to be an immigrant magnet, and we spend millions on translations for everything from courts to elections. All public debate is conducted in English, so if you don't speak English and are voting, that is an obvious problem.

Local News | Secretary of State site had translation errors | Seattle Times Newspaper


I wonder how many of the people who you think are "anti-Spanish" are really just pro-mono-lingual like me.

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Old 05-27-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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I was born in The United States. I speak American English.
I scored high enough in the Army Language Aptitude Test to be asked to take a course in VietNamese, but I didn't.
I did learn enough to order a meal or a beer.
However, IF it ever came about that I went to another country, where the primary language was NOT some type of English, and I planned to stay there for several years or perhaps the rest of my life, I would certainly make every effort to learn to speak, read, and write the language. You know, kinda like my German ancestors did when they came to this country!
I certainly would not expect the citizens of that country to learn English just for me!
So, if the poll asked if new immigrants to the United States should learn to speak, read, and write English as soon as possible, I would definitely say YES! Since I don't plan to move to THEIR country, I have no plans to learn to speak their language!
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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I am not "anti-Spanish." I have studied it a little, and it is the most beautiful language I've heard. However, I recognize there are huge benefits to having one common language. In fact it is probably a major reason for the economic success of the US. Imagine being in Europe where all scientific and technical work has to be translated into French, German Dutch, Swedish, etc. Or everyone has to learn a lingua franca (probably English). Learning a second language alone is a huge undertaking, and means hour upon hour that could be otherwise spent on math, science, etc.

There are other major benefits too. My state of WA seems to be an immigrant magnet, and we spend millions on translations for everything from courts to elections. All public debate is conducted in English, so if you don't speak English and are voting, that is an obvious problem.

Local News | Secretary of State site had translation errors | Seattle Times Newspaper


I wonder how many of the people who you think are "anti-Spanish" are really just pro-mono-lingual like me.
Excellent post that makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
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