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View Poll Results: Will Zimmerman be convicted of murder
Convicted 116 40.42%
Acquitted 171 59.58%
Voters: 287. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-31-2013, 08:39 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Sure they were, oh by the way it was not against the pavement it was grass. Apparently his injuries were not severe enough for him to seek medical attention nor require stitches, which brings to mind if your head is getting bashed on concrete as hard as he claimed, he would have at least needed sttitches or would have had a minor or major concussion
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but from the beginning, it has been reported that his head was being slammed against the concrete, as Zimmerman himself says:
"Why also
did he omit this detail reported by Zimmerman: as his head was being
slammed against the concrete, Martin told him, "You're going to die
tonight" or "You're going to die now"?

Articles: Fingering Zimmerman: Payback for the Sanford Police?
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Besides if he was not following him in the first place it would not have happened. Come to think of it, do you really think that he would have followed him in the first place if he did not have a gun? I don't think so.
He was not following him. He never followed him. He got out of his truck once, but returned (or was returning - it's not clear) on the advice of the dispatcher. This is on the cell phone record. He had already phoned the police and was waiting on their arrival. He had also just reported that "He ran," indicating that Martin was not in his sight.

 
Old 05-31-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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Do you know Zimmerman wasn't tested for drugs or alcohol? Martin was and came up positive for THC.
Weed makes people laid back and passive, sometimes too passive.

Besides, the punishment for smoking weed isn't and shouldn't be the death penalty , this isn't the MIddle Easat.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:10 AM
 
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Weed makes people laid back and passive, sometimes too passive.

Besides, the punishment for smoking weed isn't and shouldn't be the death penalty , this isn't the MIddle Easat.
Let's say you're right and weed makes people laid back and passive [which is not true for everyone].

Here you have a kid who's sent to Sanford by his dad because he was suspended for having weed in school. If he had smoked that night or was planning to, ya think he'd be laid back and passive after seeing a stranger watching him from a car and then following him ? I mean, it's not like he was in private taking pics of himself. Somehow, the possibility that tm smoked that night is turned into a good thing, that he'd sort of invite gz over to share some smoke, munch some snacks, and watch some hoops.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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He wasn't tested. It's too bad SPD never even asked him to take a drug test beause the sap would have said ok and this criticism of the cops wouldn't be an issue.
"because the sap would have said ok"..........LOL. I'm really starting to appreciate your humor! Indeed, he would have most likely said yes.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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Let's say you're right and weed makes people laid back and passive [which is not true for everyone].

Here you have a kid who's sent to Sanford by his dad because he was suspended for having weed in school. If he had smoked that night or was planning to, ya think he'd be laid back and passive after seeing a stranger watching him from a car and then following him ? I mean, it's not like he was in private taking pics of himself. Somehow, the possibility that tm smoked that night is turned into a good thing, that he'd sort of invite gz over to share some smoke, munch some snacks, and watch some hoops.

It's also possible that if he had smoked and realized a stranger was following him, he may have become rather paranoid that the stranger may be a cop and would bust him, and therefore, would have run home as fast as he could, which would have most likely have been in slow motion if he had been smoking pot.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:22 AM
 
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I don't know where you are getting your information from, but from the beginning, it has been reported that his head was being slammed against the concrete, as Zimmerman himself says:
"Why also
did he omit this detail reported by Zimmerman: as his head was being
slammed against the concrete, Martin told him, "You're going to die
tonight" or "You're going to die now"?

Articles: Fingering Zimmerman: Payback for the Sanford Police?
He was not following him. He never followed him. He got out of his truck once, but returned (or was returning - it's not clear) on the advice of the dispatcher. This is on the cell phone record. He had already phoned the police and was waiting on their arrival. He had also just reported that "He ran," indicating that Martin was not in his sight.
Oh, this trial is going to be soooo surprising for you; in fact, it may turn out to be over your head.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Aside from the arguments I want to get an idea of the count of what people think. Will Zimmerman be convicted or not? This should reflect the current FL laws that the case will be tried under (with the Stand Your Ground and other clauses.)

Note: I'm not asking if he SHOULD be convicted based on your standards, but how will the case likely end.

I'm voting for not convicted. There's too much evidence that Martin had gotten Zimmerman in a dominated position and was beating the hell out of him, to the point where a reasonable person would think their life was in danger. If you read the FL law, that gave Zimmerman the right to use deadly force to protect himself.
He will be sacrificed and found guilty
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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Let's say you're right and weed makes people laid back and passive [which is not true for everyone].

Here you have a kid who's sent to Sanford by his dad because he was suspended for having weed in school. If he had smoked that night or was planning to, ya think he'd be laid back and passive after seeing a stranger watching him from a car and then following him ? I mean, it's not like he was in private taking pics of himself. Somehow, the possibility that tm smoked that night is turned into a good thing, that he'd sort of invite gz over to share some smoke, munch some snacks, and watch some hoops.
smoking weed doesn't make one a good or a bad person any more than drinking beer does.

It's irrelevant to the case.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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smoking weed doesn't make one a good or a bad person any more than drinking beer does.

It's irrelevant to the case.
Smoking weed is completely relevant, as it increases paranoia, and hypersensitivity to surroundings. THC skews normal thought process, and affects perception of events.

Add that to a boy, already known to have social problems, verified by his suspension from school, and this is definitely something to consider as a contributing factor to the chain of events.

I think any shooting situation, ALL parties involved should be tested for substances, the fact that Zimmerman was not is a glaring oversight, there are innuendos that Zimmerman's father quashed that... We don't have any verification of substances in Zimmerman, which still does not rule out the use of substances in Martin.

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Old 05-31-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Smoking weed is completely relevant, as it increases paranoia, and hypersensitivity to surroundings. THC skews normal thought process, and affects perception of events.

Add that to a boy, already known to have social problems, verified by his suspension from school, and this is definitely something to consider as a contributing factor to the chain of events.
Weed also dramatically decreases your reflexes and reaction time. No way in hell a 17 year old who weighs 150 lbs high on weed can kill me with his bare hands.

Zimmerman was already paranoid and had many more social problems then Trayvon. Zimmerman had a documented history of beating up girlfriends and cops
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