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Old 05-26-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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Easy. If there is clear, indisputable evidence of wrongdoing, then follow through with whatever termination procedures are in place. If that evidence does not exist (hence the need for their internal investigation) then paid administrative leave is appropriate.

Ridiculously simple concept.
Are we done now?
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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I think the "paid administrative leave" thing is the government's way of dealing with high profile cases which get a lot of media attention and public outcry.
Really? In many jurisdictions police officers are immediately placed on administrative leave after a shooting incident pending the outcome of an internal investigation, and that would include the shooting down an active shooter such as . Incidents that would include the shooting a rampaging maniac like Adam Lanza where there is little doubt about the officers choice of action.
“One LPD officer was placed on administrative leave with pay, which is standard procedure in this situation, until the completion of the Texas Rangers’ investigation,” Longview police spokeswoman Kristie Brian said
Longview officer involved in fatal standoff placed on administrative leave - Longview News-Journal: Police

It is also a common policy for even lowly city dump truck drivers
GRAND RAPIDS -- A city dump truck driver who collided with a bicyclist along Bridge Street NW on Wednesday, killing the man, is on paid administrative leave pending an investigation of the incident.
Grand Rapids dump truck driver on paid leave during investigation of fatal bike crash | MLive.com

And gee, it happens in the private sector as well!

A nurse accidentally disposed of a kidney from a living donor this month at an Ohio hospital, and doctors tried unsuccessfully for at least two hours to resuscitate the organ in what medical experts describe as a rare accident, health officials said.

"Human error rendered the kidney unusable," University of Toledo Medical Center spokesman Toby Klinger said Saturday, but he declined to give more details, citing the hospital's investigation into what happened and its respect for the privacy of the patients involved.

But one of the doctors involved told Dr. David Grossman, a Toledo-Lucas County health commissioner, that a nurse disposed of the kidney improperly. Two nurses have been placed on paid administrative leave while the hospital reviews what happened, Klinger said.

Kidney Thrown In Trash, University of Toledo Medical Center Suspends Transplant Program
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Here's another example of "administrative leave" (btw no one still can tell me the meaning or purpose of that adjective "administrative").

In 2009, ten Washington State Patrol troopers were found to have submitted phony diploma mill degrees in order to qualify for automatic pay raises. Two of them resigned, and the other 8 were on paid admin leave for over a year while the state patrol hemmed & hawed over what to do.

Troopers with fake diplomas suspended, not fired

Eventually the state decided (apparently) that the troopers were so dumb as to believe that the phony diplomas, purchased on-line and entailing zero course work, were legit. Hence the troopers were brought back on the job. No word from the state on how people that dumb can be qualified to carry a gun and badge.

The episode cost taxpayers about $1 million, mostly in paid admin leave. Apparently money well spent, in the minds of liberals. OKaaay. And btw, five of the troopers later filed a lawsuit against the state for defamation. Your tax dollars (not) at work.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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All Americans should have paid administrative leave.

If the company can't afford it then they should be heavily fined.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Here's another example of "administrative leave" (btw no one still can tell me the meaning or purpose of that adjective "administrative").
I imagine it's meant to distinguish from things like sick leave and FMLA. Took about .5 seconds to figure out.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Here's another real world example of "administrative leave."

Cut-Rate Diplomas - Reason.com

Laura Callahan was DHS 'deputy chief information officer.' She held a PhD from Hamilton University. After it was learned that Hamilton U was headquartered out of a motel 6 in a small Wyoming town, she went on paid admin leave for 10 months. She continued to collect her salary in the range of $150,000 before resigning. Reportedly she is now back working for the federal gov't, at a newly created U.S. Cyber Command.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I imagine it's meant to distinguish from things like sick leave and FMLA. Took about .5 seconds to figure out.
How do figure that sick leave and FMLA are not equally "administrative?" Don't these types of leave also have to be approved and processed by some administrator?

Administrative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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ad·min·is·tra·tive

adjective \əd-ˈmi-nə-ˌstrā-tiv, -strə-\





Definition of ADMINISTRATIVE

: of or relating to administration or an administration : executive
Next time, try thinking it over for more than .5 seconds.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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How do figure that sick leave and FMLA are not equally "administrative?" Don't these types of leave also have to be approved and processed by some administrator?

Administrative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


Next time, try thinking it over for more than .5 seconds.
Maybe you should try being smarter. The administrative adjective denotes an action taken by administration, which is fairly clearly in the definition you posted.

Again, ridiculously simple.
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Old 05-26-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Again, how do you figure that FMLA and sick leave do not entail action taken by administration? That's what you implied in your previous post. Remember...the one that took you .5 seconds?
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:10 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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A couple days ago the IRS official who headed the tax-exempt orgs division was placed on paid administrative leave, in connection with the investigation into IRS targeting of groups based on ideology.
Lois Lerner put on administrative leave by IRS

This means essentially that she will sit at home while collecting full pay and benefits. Modern government defines this as a form of punishment for government workers.

I work at a large private sector corp. that is very politically correct, but I've never heard of anyone going on such a thing as "administrative leave." Employees caught in wrongdoing are generally either fired on the spot, and walked out to the parking lot, or suspended without pay pending investigation. Usually after about 2 weeks they are either brought back, or terminated.

For gov't workers accused of wrongdoing, paid administrative leave now seems to be the law of the land. A few years ago in WA we had a state trooper accused of molesting numerous female motorists after pulling them over. He sat in jail for 17 months, all the while collecting his full trooper salary on "paid administrative leave." Eventually he was convicted, but continued to collect his trooper salary for several weeks after the conviction. We also had a school principle in the Seattle area who was charged with and convicted of rape, and was on "paid administrative leave" for a while even after being convicted. Congrats you taxpayers, you get the honor of working your fingers to the bone to provide succor for a rapist. Relax and enjoy!

Can any liberals out there explain and justify the concept of "administrative leave?" Do you think that private sector employers should be required to have the same policy, or do you agree with the current dual-class structure?
Why do you think that a liberal's opinion would be any different? All police organiz (right wing orgs) also put their officers on PAL when accused of wrongdoing. It is WRONG. I think that it might have more to do with the unions they belong to.
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