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Old 11-05-2007, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Boise
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So, using your logic, ALL advocates need to quit their jobs and go home to their own families. All curriculum specialists and librarians better leave the premises, too, because they certainly have opinions about what's acceptable to put in a child's mind. Psychologists and pediatricians certainly stick their noses into other people's business all the time, as well as police and court personnel.

Taking that a step further, I guess ALL citizens should stop writing letters to Congress to try to influence them. Heck, I guess we shouldn't even be allowed to vote--it's just influence peddling.

Yep, some people will truly deserve the country they are attempting to create!
can you deny that americans are over worked, and that family takes a back seat? look at any society, you will notice that when the institution of family falls apart the society does as well. now how are you supposed to have strong ties to your kids when you don't even know them, when they grow up in pictures and you are busy keeping up with the jones'?
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Saddam Hussein was a Christian? I didn't know that....

But you're right that untold thousands have been killed - BY SADDAM! Secret police, torture, murders, targeted assassinations, chemical weapons and the destruction of wetlands so he could destroy the food sources of rival groups ~ just some of the methods Saddam. Did ya' forget about that??? Hmmm? Did ya??
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Saddam was convicted and executed for the murder of 148 civilians.
Our president Bush is a christian. The number of Iraqis killed since the invasion numbers well into six digits. Ask the president what he thinks about torture. Ask anyone on his staff the same question.

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Old 11-05-2007, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Boise
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I don't think America has turned its back on anything except some aspects of narrow-minded intolerance. There is room here for all kinds.

1.) Organized prayer has no place in a public school. Public schools are supposed to be for everyone, not just the religious. Want to pray in school? Send your child to a religious school.

2.) Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Also, you should support programs that reduce the number of abortions...like sex ed and reduced-cost/increased access to contraception.

3.) Don't like gays? Who cares? I mean, really; how intolerant does one have to be to discriminate against someone on the basis of who they have sex with? As long as everyone's over 18 and consents, who cares what they do behind closed doors?

4.) Bill Clinton is FAR from the first politician to screw around on his wife and he won't be the last. Even Republicans do it. Heck, even church leaders do it.

5.) Why shouldn't gays be allowed to form the same kind of legal union that heterosexuals enjoy? Who are you to deny them that right?
i really have to agree, especially with the second one. i find it amusing that the same group that is blatantly anti-abortion, is the same group that is against birth control, sex ed and things that would actually prevent pregnancy in the first place. seems to me that this god of love dishes up responsibility unnecessarily cold, actually the recipe is pretty close to being vengeful.
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Old 11-05-2007, 10:16 AM
 
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Has America turned its back on God ? Is our country in a steadily moral decline? We have seen and heard prayer taken out of our schools in the sixties. The 70's we legalized murder and called it abortion. The 80's we are introduced us to HIV\AID and homosexuality became a topic of discussion and was accepted as an alternative lifestyle. The 90's we see a U.S. President break his marriage vows,by having an affair with an intern.In this century we see where the State of Massachusetts legalized gay marriage.The shows that are on T.V. are despicable.
Biblically speaking, murder has been around since the beginning of humanity-homosexuality and adultery were around in Old Testament times. So, no.
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:00 AM
 
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Saddam Hussein was a Christian? I didn't know that....

But you're right that untold thousands have been killed - BY SADDAM! Secret police, torture, murders, targeted assassinations, chemical weapons and the destruction of wetlands so he could destroy the food sources of rival groups ~ just some of the methods Saddam. Did ya' forget about that??? Hmmm? Did ya??
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lets get real, if some group wanted to topple the US Government and had anti- capitalist anti-christian views and they were armed, our Government would do all they can to hush them and killing them would be neccessary, it is no different then Iraq, Saddam had control of that land, people wanted to topple his government and he had them killed, he had people who commited crimes executed and tortured(just like us to an extent)
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:35 AM
 
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I don't think America has turned its back on anything except some aspects of narrow-minded intolerance. There is room here for all kinds.

1.) Organized prayer has no place in a public school. Public schools are supposed to be for everyone, not just the religious. Want to pray in school? Send your child to a religious school.

2.) Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Also, you should support programs that reduce the number of abortions...like sex ed and reduced-cost/increased access to contraception.

3.) Don't like gays? Who cares? I mean, really; how intolerant does one have to be to discriminate against someone on the basis of who they have sex with? As long as everyone's over 18 and consents, who cares what they do behind closed doors?

4.) Bill Clinton is FAR from the first politician to screw around on his wife and he won't be the last. Even Republicans do it. Heck, even church leaders do it.

5.) Why shouldn't gays be allowed to form the same kind of legal union that heterosexuals enjoy? Who are you to deny them that right?
Excellent post, I agree completely!
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:54 AM
 
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I don't think America has turned its back on anything except some aspects of narrow-minded intolerance. There is room here for all kinds.

1.) Organized prayer has no place in a public school. Public schools are supposed to be for everyone, not just the religious. Want to pray in school? Send your child to a religious school.

2.) Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Also, you should support programs that reduce the number of abortions...like sex ed and reduced-cost/increased access to contraception.

3.) Don't like gays? Who cares? I mean, really; how intolerant does one have to be to discriminate against someone on the basis of who they have sex with? As long as everyone's over 18 and consents, who cares what they do behind closed doors?

4.) Bill Clinton is FAR from the first politician to screw around on his wife and he won't be the last. Even Republicans do it. Heck, even church leaders do it.

5.) Why shouldn't gays be allowed to form the same kind of legal union that heterosexuals enjoy? Who are you to deny them that right?
I always find it amusing that the Christian right does not want to deny people their money but does want to deny (gay).

I don't think Christ would want any religion that supports a candidate that wants to have tax cuts for rich people using his name. did you know that the upper income tax rate was 70% before Reagan and now its 35%? I didn't know the rich people of this country had it so rough and needed all of that money back.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:44 AM
 
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What I want to know is what makes Christians think they are in a position to determine what moral behavior is? I think Christians need to get off their proverbial "high horse" and acknowledge that some of the worst offenders (which are likely the cause of this so-called "cultural decline" are, you guessed it, Christians!

Last time I checked, the book Christians deem the "word of god" is full of passages condoning rape, murder, sacrifice and a host of other atrocities. Hardly activities I'd deem "morally acceptable". Christians are often the biggest hypocrites, chastising others for certain behaviors, when they themselves fall privy, unable to live up to their own self-imposed "righteousness"

My suggestion: Get off it. I have no idea why Christians just can't concern themselves with their lives and their actions, and stop prodding into the lives of individuals who want nothing to do with with their blatant hypocracy.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:29 PM
 
Location: South East UK
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What I want to know is what makes Christians think they are in a position to determine what moral behavior is? I think Christians need to get off their proverbial "high horse" and acknowledge that some of the worst offenders (which are likely the cause of this so-called "cultural decline" are, you guessed it, Christians!

Last time I checked, the book Christians deem the "word of god" is full of passages condoning rape, murder, sacrifice and a host of other atrocities. Hardly activities I'd deem "morally acceptable". Christians are often the biggest hypocrites, chastising others for certain behaviors, when they themselves fall privy, unable to live up to their own self-imposed "righteousness"

My suggestion: Get off it. I have no idea why Christians just can't concern themselves with their lives and their actions, and stop prodding into the lives of individuals who want nothing to do with with their blatant hypocracy.
Reading this post reminds me of the question that has always caused me to speculate, from the mouth of a numberless Christain's "we are all sinners" from the way this is usually said they do not mean just themselves, but are talking of everybody else too. Sort of stands the dictum "innocent untill proven guilty" on its head doesn't it, what cheek?
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Reading this post reminds me of the question that has always caused me to speculate, from the mouth of a numberless Christain's "we are all sinners" from the way this is usually said they do not mean just themselves, but are talking of everybody else too. Sort of stands the dictum "innocent untill proven guilty" on its head doesn't it, what cheek?
Don't confuse legal and ethical observations. They rarely intersect.
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