Conservatives: Why do you hate libertarians? (how much, military, ideology, dollars)
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There was a time when us libertarians were called liberals before the socialists stole the term. I actually prefer to describe myself as a classical liberal.
Think of all the nations, and all the crappy forms of government that have existed, yet not one nation has cast its lot with libertarianism. That speaks volumes of just how illogical and unworkable libertarinism would be to guide a nation.
It doesn't matter what modern day libertarians label themselves, they are just conservatives who vote for conservatives over and over.
Libertarians made a conscious decision to join with conservatives.
there is a big difference. Liberals/moderates/progressives work withing the system to bring about "change".
Libertarians want to change the system to "hopfully" create change. The whole of society has to change before Libertarian "solutions" can be effective.
Actually you can take a step by step approach and shrink government power incrementally. A return to liberty can take the same one step at a time approach as the build up of the welfare state.
Don't you think your view is slightly shaded because you group all conservatives together and maybe comments like "we're not hypocrites" is a little self serving and arrogant?
Have you paid much attention to the honest comments on this thread and others. Many of us share some libertarian views and we certainly do not hate you, we respect you for your views, but that does not mean we agree altogether with you.
I for one, do care what we put into our bodies because drugs damage kids as well. A parent addicted to drugs, can not be a good parent.
I totally support gay rights and many Republicans do, I still have issues with gay marriage because a marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman.
As for the military involvement, I am not in favor of us being all over the world necessarily and I do not think we can push democracy down others throats, but I also do not care how much it costs us, if it means Americans and our alias are safe.
So you see, because we don't agree does not mean "we Hate" and some of what Libertarians stand for, simply can not and will not work. Every party has pros and cons, the sooner we all understand that, the better we will be.
Heck, when it comes to some social issues Ronald Reagan was a Libertarian and my dad, who died in 2000, at the ripe old age of 93 was a Libertarian.
Now, let me ask you: do you, because you do not agree with conservatives hate all of us?
I don't hate anyone, unless they mess with me, my family, or my money.
But let me ask you--why is it your business, or the government's business, what people do with their own bodies? They don't belong to you or the State. There exists a thing called self-ownership. And their kids also don't belong to you or the State.
And government should be completely out of marriage. If 25 gay men wanted to marry 25 gay men, it is neither the business of the government nor any of your business. It in no way affects your liberty.
What if I don't care about the safety of our "allies?" They're not MY allies; I never personally signed a compact with them. Why should I be forced to pay for their defense out of my pocket? Am I allowed to decline?
I think you have comprehension with reading. I don't see at all what you say.
Many conservatives agree with many libertarian positions, especially on the role of government in business. Some conservatives do not agree with libertarian positions on social issues, defense, and immigration.
I admire many libertarian positions - partly because of its consistency and purity. And I disagree with the official Republican platform in many areas - especially because it is very big government on too many social issues and defense.
Just observe many of the responses I get when I criticize Republicans. They automatically accuse me of being a leftist. They can't comprehend that people can disagree with them but not be Democrats.
You asked, so here's an answer that wil tick off most of you.
Most so-called libertarians are hedonists and could give a krap about government policies.
If they're young they want to smoke pot and do drugs and they should be left alonew because they're libertarians.
If they're old they want to have sex with young women and claim it's their right because they're libertarians.
It's hard to see much difference between liberals and libertarians.
Some are. Most aren't.
Either way, it is not your business, or that of the government, how someone chooses to live their life, as long as they don't infringe on the liberty of anyone else.
And your last sentence epitomizes my original post; modern-day liberals don't want to abolish the welfare state. Libertarians do. Modern-day liberals don't want to abolish the Federal Reserve; libertarians do. Modern-day liberals don't want to adopt Austrian economics; libertarians do.
Think of all the nations, and all the crappy forms of government that have existed, yet not one nation hastrusted its lot with libertarianism. That speaks volumes of just how illogical and unworkable libertarinism would be to guide a nation.
It doesn't matter what modern day libertarians label themselves, they are just conservatives who vote for conservatives over and over.
Libertarians made a conscious decision to join with conservatives.
Switzerland is the closest. The U.S. under the Articles of Confederation was libertarian. The Old West was libertarian.
The main reason there haven't been that many is because people are afraid of liberty. They are scared of being free.
And most true libertarians want nothing to do with conservatives. They abstain from voting unless there is a candidate who truly represents liberty, i.e. Ron Paul.
Switzerland is the closest. The U.S. under the Articles of Confederation was libertarian. The Old West was libertarian.
The main reason there haven't been that many is because people are afraid of liberty. They are scared of being free.
And most true libertarians want nothing to do with conservatives. They abstain from voting unless there is a candidate who truly represents liberty, i.e. Ron Paul.
Yeah Sweden is a Libertarian paradise. Lolololol
Ah yes blame human beings for being afraid of liberty because they won't support the irrational political ideology of libertarians.
Here is a hint if you suggest an idea and people everywhere all over reject that idea, that idea probably sucks.
Please libertarians who vote cast their lot in with and mostly vote for conservatives.
Labels get murky but I always thought there were conservative libertarians and socialist libertarians.
So which ones are we talking about here?
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