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View Poll Results: Are marijuana users criminals in your opinion?
Yes 61 26.07%
No 166 70.94%
Undecided 7 2.99%
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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How is it more basic?
Well, I'm not 100% sure what you mean by ICC but if you are not talking about the supremacy clause then that is more basic. It doesn't get any more basic.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I'm asking this question because I think it is waay past time that we address our marijuana and hard drug laws. It would seem, that our laws would be based upon reason, and our Constitution and not religious dogma and tradition. But for arguably racists and capatalistic reasons, marijuana was outlawed in this country and prohibition has been in full force every since.


My question is this. Are marijuana users criminals in your opinion (outside of current laws)? If not, why are the laws still on the books and what can we do to get them changed?

I have always tended to favor drug legalization. But a big caveat is that as we move towards socialized medicine, now I as a taxpayer am on the hook for the druggie's health problems. The more gov't is involved in the provision of health care, the more unhealthy behaviors will have to be controlled. MJ is not as bad as some things, but it is not harmless, either.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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True, the discussion is about people who are guilty of drug related crimes, and surprisingly many posters have confessed to having been less than law abiding.
LOL, it's weed, not meth or crack. Pot is harmless. How many of us drank while underage, raise your hands! How many of us have parked illegally or gotten parking tickets, raise your hands? How many of us have driven over the speed limit? Driven through a red light? Rolled through a stop sign? Maybe stolen something small at a store at one time? Please. You're making it seem like everyone on here are criminals when I see so many people who seem to be the purest of the pure. No one is that pure.

And Finn, there is no way pot will cause someone to cannibalize another. I don't care what you've seen/heard/believe. I always get this staunch "I know all about that evil evil drug pot" from the people who don't smoke it yet claim to be the experts. Amazing.

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Old 05-29-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Quite obviously he was still under the marijuana phsychosis since he ate the other guys face. We DO KNOW what he had in his system because of the toxicology report. It was pot, only pot, and nothing but pot.

A friend of mine once smoked some pot, and ended up wandering around the streets of Miami in his underwear. He had no idea why he had left the hotel in his underwear. Later he said it was an exremely scary experience.
Your friend lied to you (about marijuana causing his episode), and I'm not surprised you were gullible enough to fall for it! And what the hell is a "phsychosis?" Did you just pick random letters on a keyboard, or what?

Now please excuse me, it's time to go eat some faces... oops, I mean it's time for me to go to work.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Western Oregon
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I have always tended to favor drug legalization. But a big caveat is that as we move towards socialized medicine, now I as a taxpayer am on the hook for the druggie's health problems. The more gov't is involved in the provision of health care, the more unhealthy behaviors will have to be controlled. MJ is not as bad as some things, but it is not harmless, either.
The other side is, marijuana is also a cheaper and sometimes more effective alternative compared to some pharmaceuticals.

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Old 05-29-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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True, the discussion is about people who are guilty of drug related crimes, and surprisingly many posters have confessed to having been less than law abiding.
I'm not doing anything illegal by state or local laws, which is what they follow here - so I dare you to bother the cops over it! Once they stopped laughing in your face, they would warn you to stop wasting their time & money.

You probably break more serious laws than I do on a regular basis, and probably engage in more harmful substances too.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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Well, I'm not 100% sure what you mean by ICC but if you are not talking about the supremacy clause then that is more basic. It doesn't get any more basic.
there are two parts.

the interstate commerce clause is what grants the federal government authority to regulate marijuana. The supremacy clause is what makes federal law pre-empt state law.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: USA
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it was the liberals that outlawed cannabis
I think it was more the racists and those who wanted to capitalize on other cash crops. The right propaganda was presented against marijuana and it was outlawed. It is actually probably one of the oldest medicinal plants known to man. It wasn't until the last century that it was outlawed.



For those who support green energy, think about this. Hemp can be used as a replacement for wood in nearly all of its uses. It actually exceeds wood in its total uses. It's harvesting time is 5.83% of the time of a softwood tree.

Why not spare our natural forests and use hemp instead? It's what our forefathers encouraged us to do and most of them grew hemp and smoked marijuana. Pretty much all of our last presidents have as well.


It's time to change policy. It was not justified in being outlawed. You can still outlaw harmful and destructive behavior without invading into people's freedoms. We've seen time and time again that our law enforcement can't be trusted but we still subject millions in our population to their will.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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there are two parts.

the interstate commerce clause is what grants the federal government authority to regulate marijuana. The supremacy clause is what makes federal law pre-empt state law.
My point is treaties. There are drug treaties so I don't think ICC needs to be invoked. But I don't know if it has or not. Mostly, the administration is ignoring it. Mostly.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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I think it was more the racists and those who wanted to capitalize on other cash crops. The right propaganda was presented against marijuana and it was outlawed. It is actually probably one of the oldest medicinal plants known to man. It wasn't until the last century that it was outlawed.
Mexicans, right? I was waiting for someone to bring up Mexicans.
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