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View Poll Results: Are marijuana users criminals in your opinion?
Yes 61 26.07%
No 166 70.94%
Undecided 7 2.99%
Voters: 234. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-29-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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Dumb question. Marijuana is illegal therefore they are criminals. Period. There's nothing to debate here. The definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law. They break the law.

No I would not drink if they brought back prohibition. The social settings where I do drink would no longer serve alchohol and there is nothing about alcohol that would entice me to break the law to get it.
Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks broke the law. Our founding fathers broke the law they were governed under as well.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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Dumb question. Marijuana is illegal therefore they are criminals. Period. There's nothing to debate here. The definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law. They break the law.
Smoking marijuana in not unlawful, but marijuana laws are.

If you are not smoking marijuana, most likely you are behaving unlawfully.

You should be arrested.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:00 PM
 
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Bingo! And while I often say this is one issue that seems to bring everyone (from varying political viewpoints) together, I still find it ironic that the few naysayers claim to be conservatives. Isn't their stance the polar opposite of conservative thinking? I realize not everyone follows a political ideology lock-step, but this is a fairly big inconsistency IMO.

And before anyone asks, I'm a left-leaning Libertarian.
You said it yourself, it's 2013. With that, means that you have a majority of Americans who do not understand what true liberalism and conservatism are, and you can always expect their political arguments to be based around their favorite cable news shows.

There's no such thing as conservative or liberal thinking anymore, at least not as a majority. What you have is a mockingbird mentality, where people are too damn lazy and stupid to come to their own conclusions, and would rather repeat anything relatable to their own corner of the world.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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I guess we are pretty much done here.

Let's recap: Marijuana users are criminals in most states, and marijuana use is proven to cause mental illness, psychosis and violent episodes. Marijuana is addictive, and marijuana causes serious heart disease and deadly arrhythmia. Decriminalization in Portugal led to increased use.


Portugal decriminalizes drugs -- drug abuse drops 50% - Richard Rider - Open Salon

AFP: Portugal drug law show results ten years on, experts say


Portugal Drug Policy: Decriminalization Works - Business Insider


hard drug use has dropped dramatically in Portugal, what would you rather have a few more pot smokers? or more hard drug users including alcohol.? if pot were legal less people would do hard drugs.. I almost completely stopped drinking alcohol, I drink on a rare moon, i choose the lesser of evils, "weed". I haven't even had a parking ticket in 15 years I contribute that to only smoking pot. I do no other drugs and rarely do any prescrips unless absolutely necessarily. basically I'm pretty darn straight..

I GUESS SOME PEOPLE WHEN BRAINWASHED ARE FOREVER BRAINWASHED NO GOING BACK..
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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You said it yourself, it's 2013. With that, means that you have a majority of Americans who do not understand what true liberalism and conservatism are, and you can always expect their political arguments to be based around their favorite cable news shows.

There's no such thing as conservative or liberal thinking anymore, at least not as a majority. What you have is a mockingbird mentality, where people are too damn lazy and stupid to come to their own conclusions, and would rather repeat anything relatable to their own corner of the world.
True, and I find that rather sad... also one of the reasons I identify as third-party or independent. Wow, independent thought - what a concept!! Even sadder is how people (on this forum) hate when I say that, and are constantly trying to make me "choose sides." Sorry if I cannot subscribe to what you think I am and should believe.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:58 AM
 
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Adults in a suposedly free country should be able to do pretty much whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.
Exactly. If I'm not harming someone else or property, leave me the **** alone.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:27 AM
 
Location: USA
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Trying to get personal is always the last desperate effort when the fight is lost. No, my friend, I just showed it is not me who lacks logic, it is the pro-narcotic team who lacks it.
Narcotic is a pretty word aint it

I guess we should ban the non-lethal "narcotic" and keep the potentially lethal ones right?

Doesn't that make a lot of since Finn? I'm expecting you to skip over this post because you have no argument.
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Old 05-30-2013, 05:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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Dumb question. Marijuana is illegal therefore they are criminals. Period. There's nothing to debate here. The definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law. They break the law.

No I would not drink if they brought back prohibition. The social settings where I do drink would no longer serve alchohol and there is nothing about alcohol that would entice me to break the law to get it.
Guess if I was born in the 50's I would be criminal for going in a "whites only" bathroom.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Bingo! And while I often say this is one issue that seems to bring everyone (from varying political viewpoints) together, I still find it ironic that the few naysayers claim to be conservatives. Isn't their stance the polar opposite of conservative thinking? I realize not everyone follows a political ideology lock-step, but this is a fairly big inconsistency IMO.
It appears inconsistent, but what has really happened is that conservativism has died in US politics. The Republican Party completely abandoned it some time between the Vietnam War and the beginning of Disco.

Conservativism s dead. Dead as Dillinger. Consider: the last three Republican presidents we've had have been among the LEAST conservative leaders this nation has ever seen.

The vast majority of people claiming to be conservative don't even realize what the term means (similarly to how they clearly don't understand the terms liberal, socialist, communist, fascist, science and birth certificate.)

Being involved in needless wars, attempting to prevent citizens from having control over their own reproductive choices, endorsing systematic bigotry and discrimination (i.e. opposition to same sex marriage), "faith-based initiatives", attempting to push for the teaching of creationist nonsense in science classes, keeping marijuana illegal, etc., etc. are all completely antithetical to actual conservativism. It's 180 degrees away from what conservativism actually is. What we have now are big intrusive government moral watchdog neocons.
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Old 05-30-2013, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Posessing MJ is an illegal act but should not be. Eventually we will get legalization past the prudes.
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