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Old 05-30-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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The GOP's problem is that any good idea they come up with, they abandon and the Democrats pick it up. Cap and trade was Republican successfully used for acid rain mitigation; Obamacare, a Republican idea successful in Mass.; these are a couple of examples that i can think of off hand.
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Old 05-31-2013, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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The GOP's problem is that any good idea they come up with, they abandon and the Democrats pick it up. Cap and trade was Republican successfully used for acid rain mitigation; Obamacare, a Republican idea successful in Mass.; these are a couple of examples that i can think of off hand.
Romneycare in Mass is not so much a success from what I have been reading, do you have some info I am missing?
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:02 AM
 
Location: texas
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
So you are not discussing GOP ideas, but claiming Obama doesnt have any???

When do we get to GOP's ideas...ever???
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
Not far if they focused on social conservative issues.

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Old 05-31-2013, 03:27 AM
 
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Ofc Obama would win as a true socialist, people like free stuff....that's human nature.

If someone offered to give you a hundred dollars completely free would you say no?

Didn't think so.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:32 AM
 
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how far would a politician get on the national stage if they ran as what they truly are, instead of using flowery language that disguises their true intentions?

How far would obama have gotten if he ran as a true socialist (which he is)?

How far would any leftie get in a national election by running as a true socialist?
Are you certain what a socialist is? OK, I accept that socialism means different things in different places. Please explain your definition of socialism and then this is an easy question to answer.
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:40 AM
 
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If Obama is a socialist, Reagan was a Fascist. . . Ford a commie ??!?!?

What about Obama is socialist?

His wars?
His middle class killing economic policies?
His give-a-ways to big business??

If Obama wasnt the undesirable pigmentation to them, the GOP Taliban would have him over to drink beer and watch 'the race'.
He is a perfect republican circa 2013
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Old 05-31-2013, 03:54 AM
 
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If Obama is a socialist, Reagan was a Fascist. . . Ford a commie ??!?!?

What about Obama is socialist?

His wars?
His middle class killing economic policies?
His give-a-ways to big business??

If Obama wasnt the undesirable pigmentation to them, the GOP Taliban would have him over to drink beer and watch 'the race'.
He is a perfect republican circa 2013
Mostly true, the gay marriage thing makes a lot of righties pretty butt hurt.
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Old 05-31-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Based on Barack Obama's speeches, writings, and actual voting record:


Economic is left-right (pure communism on the far left, pure capitalism on the far right), Social is up-down (authoritarian do-what-I-say up top, do-whatever-you-want on the bottom).

From here:
The Political Compass - US Presidential Election 2012

Long, LONG way from a socialist. He's really quite conservative. The problem is the stupidly extreme right-wing blatherings from conservative talk-radio make him appear liberal by comparison, plus they lie.

I'm toward the center, slightly down in the green quadrant. Want to see where YOU fall on that chart? Go here: The Political Compass - Test

Back on topic, no truly honest politician can possibly get elected nationally. You MUST be able to 1) convince people from either side of any issue that you are on their side and 2) be able to convince people to like you enough that they work for you.
See, you are in the reality based community where little things like facts and evidence matter but the people idiotically mumbling "Obama is a socialist" are not in the reality based community because facts and evidence do not matter to them. They're the dumbest and most misinformed people in America and yet they make up the majority of the Republican base.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:01 AM
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If Obama is a socialist, Reagan was a Fascist. . . Ford a commie ??!?!?

What about Obama is socialist?

His wars?
His middle class killing economic policies?
His give-a-ways to big business??

If Obama wasnt the undesirable pigmentation to them, the GOP Taliban would have him over to drink beer and watch 'the race'.
He is a perfect republican circa 2013
Exactly, when it comes to policy Obama is basically Reagan with a tan.
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