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If excluding people is moral, then your morals suck.
People are excluded from private organizations all the time.
For an organization to have any meaning or structure at all - it needs people who subscribe to the values of the organization and mission it is accomplishing.
Boy Scouts once had the mission of helping mold responsible, moral, and prepared young men who were persons of faith, patriotic, and understood the value of family and self-sacrifice.
If you were a member of a LGBT group, would you allow someone who opposed homosexuality to be a leader or even a member of that group?
if not - then why should the Boy Scouts allow people into their organization that engage in activities that are counter to its values and mission?
LOL!!!! You stopped buying cookies in protest to homosexuality. Way to make a statement, Mel.
Really, what kind of a psychopath does it take to get bent out of shape about a boy joining girlscouts? Who gives a flying ****...
lol
Next time the Girl Scouts are selling cookies outside of my local Safeway, I think I'll buy an extra box or two - you know, to make up for the box or two that Harrier no longer buys.
People are excluded from private organizations all the time.
For an organization to have any meaning or structure at all - it needs people who subscribe to the values of the organization and mission it is accomplishing.
Boy Scouts once had the mission of helping mold responsible, moral, and prepared young men who were persons of faith, patriotic, and understood the value of family and self-sacrifice.
If you were a member of a LGBT group, would you allow someone who opposed homosexuality to be a leader or even a member of that group?
if not - then why should the Boy Scouts allow people into their organization that engage in activities that are counter to its values and mission?
Before I start, I should say I think it's fine if people want to pull their kids out of the Boy Scouts because they don't want to support the change (even though I don't agree with their position). With that said...
You're missing a big difference here in the argument. From the first few pages, I read a lot about "why can't they let us have our views and be tolerant of of our view?" There's a big difference between being tolerant of exclusion and tolerant of inclusion against your view.
Let's take a look at a recent argument here in Georgia. Sunday alcohol sales. In a forum argument, one guy said that it should continue to be banned, because it goes against his views. So what he was doing was excluding everyone else from being able to do what they want. He was pushing to keep sales on Sunday illegal, even though it would not affect him at all. And he couldn't understand why people wouldn't support his view. He was trying to restrict others instead of just not participating himself.
This is pretty much the same thing. Instead of deciding not to participate, which is fine, you want the Boy Scouts to continue to exclude.
As for your gay-opposing person leading a LGBT group...is your person there to actually lead and be a member, or are they there to promote the opposition of LGBT issues? If there are there to oppose, of course not, as that's exclusionary. If they are against it, but still want to participate, then bring them on.
For example, I am not Christian. I do not believe in God or Jesus or any of it, even after having gone to church for 10 years, going to two Christian-based schools with Bible classes, and having a step-father who was a pastor. I can still hang out with religious people, and do not tell them they are wrong. I do not try to change them. I do not try to exclude them. I include. Now...if they start preaching at me or calling me a Satanist because I don't follow their beliefs, then I will just leave.
It's ok to touch children, sleep around on your spouse, and jerk off to internet porn, just as long as nobody finds out.
But them gays!!.... Oh, no!!!
Give us a break with your Christian values ****, until all you do-good Christians start walking the walk.
Precisely.
Adultery is on the Christian top ten list of very bad things but the Boy Scouts don't have a policy of excluding adulterers from being scouts or leaders. It seems that the only Christian value that some people adhere to is a complete and utter hatred for gay people.
I no longer buy Girl Scout cookies because they allowed a boy who thought that he was a girl(or at least that is what the parents brainwashed him into thinking) to join a troop - and I will no longer be able to support the Boy Scouts either.
I was once a scout and was proud to have been when they truly operated under the Scout Law.
It is a sad day now that they have backed down from the moral principles that once made them strong.
What company makes American Taliban approved cookies? Are there any grocery store chains that maintain a sufficiently homophobic policy for you to shop there?
Do you think that there will come a time when you will have no choice but to eat every meal at Chik Fil A to keep your sense of morals intact?
Before I start, I should say I think it's fine if people want to pull their kids out of the Boy Scouts because they don't want to support the change (even though I don't agree with their position). With that said...
You're missing a big difference here in the argument. From the first few pages, I read a lot about "why can't they let us have our views and be tolerant of of our view?" There's a big difference between being tolerant of exclusion and tolerant of inclusion against your view.
Let's take a look at a recent argument here in Georgia. Sunday alcohol sales. In a forum argument, one guy said that it should continue to be banned, because it goes against his views. So what he was doing was excluding everyone else from being able to do what they want. He was pushing to keep sales on Sunday illegal, even though it would not affect him at all. And he couldn't understand why people wouldn't support his view. He was trying to restrict others instead of just not participating himself.
This is pretty much the same thing. Instead of deciding not to participate, which is fine, you want the Boy Scouts to continue to exclude.
As for your gay-opposing person leading a LGBT group...is your person there to actually lead and be a member, or are they there to promote the opposition of LGBT issues? If there are there to oppose, of course not, as that's exclusionary. If they are against it, but still want to participate, then bring them on.
For example, I am not Christian. I do not believe in God or Jesus or any of it, even after having gone to church for 10 years, going to two Christian-based schools with Bible classes, and having a step-father who was a pastor. I can still hang out with religious people, and do not tell them they are wrong. I do not try to change them. I do not try to exclude them. I include. Now...if they start preaching at me or calling me a Satanist because I don't follow their beliefs, then I will just leave.
I'm pretty sure you will not get the point.
No, he will not get the point. But, I'm guessing most with half a brain appreciate what you wrote.
You're the only one doing the hating around here, bud.
Harrier hates no one.
You, on the other hand, don't believe that girls should have their own organization where they can learn to be strong, moral, and independent young women who contribute to their communities.
Instead, you think that boys should be required to join their troops, even when the Boy Scouts exist.
You must hate girls if you won't let them have an organization of their own.
Why is it so hard for you to understand? Most families who put their kids in scouting don't approve of the gay lifestyle and certainly do not want it promoted to their children. They don't want their children exposed to that.
then they need close their doors to their home, turn off the radio and all tv, disconnect from life 100% (no mobile, no computer, no internet) and live like hermits. Because there is no such thing as a "gay lifestyle". The same activities that heterosexual express (kissing, holding hands, hugging) are the same activities that gays, lesbians, best friends, and family members do.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with their decision to pull their kids out.
Only shows the rest of the world how bigoted they are.
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