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Old 05-31-2013, 10:31 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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This was done to the native American aborigines too, they were prevented from practicing their beliefs and the damn missionaries went around spreading their message and bible. In California the natives were rounded up and put in missions as workers, if they ran away, they were caught and had a foot removed to prevent them from repeating it. I think it is sick that the church used missionaries to spread their hate in nearly every country, they did it in Africa, South America, Asia and they wonder why so many find them to be evil and hateful. Why must they try to convert everyone to their religion?
But even more, why did we fall for it?!!!
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:43 PM
 
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There is no gay gene. If there was then it might be possible to have it passed from your parents, but that isn't the case like it is with being born black, or any other race.


There is much evidence that being lesbian or homosexual is more related to your societal upbringing, and that it is a CHOICE, while at the same time there is ZERO evidence that any person is, was or will be born lesbian or homosexual.

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I'd love you to try to present that 'much evidence' because no reputable health organization or scientist agrees with you. And please. Nothing from that conservative religious anti-gay propaganda group NARTH.

On the other hand there is PLENTY of evidence that there are biological causes for sexual orientation.

Here's a just a sample:


Royal College of Psychiatrists
"Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment."



American Academy of Pediatrics
“…the current literature and most scholars in the field state that one’s sexual orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual or heterosexual.”


American Academy of Pediatricians
"there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation."


Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.
The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.



Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.
The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.

"This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says.

Previous studies have also shown differences inbrain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.

To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.

"That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic.

"This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK.

"The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking."
"Paradoxically, it's more informative to look at things that have no direct connection with sexual orientation, and that's where this study scores," says Simon LeVay, a prominent US author who in 1991 reported finding differences(pdf) in a part of the brain called the hypothalamus between straight and gay men.




PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...66105.abstract


"Epigenetics – how gene expression is regulated by temporary switches, called epi-marks – appears to be a critical and overlooked factor contributing to the long-standing puzzle of why homosexuality occurs". In the current study, researchers... integrated evolutionary theory with recent advances in the molecular regulation of gene expression and androgen-dependent sexual development to produce a biological and mathematical model that delineates the role of epigenetics in homosexuality" (2012)
http://www.sciencenewsline.com/artic...116360019.html


"There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic studies , and the neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings”

Mustanski, B. S.; DuPree, M. G.; Nievergelt, C. M.; Bocklandt, S.; Schork, N. J.; Hamer, D. H. (2005)
A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation. [Hum Genet. 2005] - PubMed result



Relationships among childhood sex-atypical be... [Arch Sex Behav. 2002] - PubMed - NCBI

Several studies report that the cognitive performance of gay males is more typical of heterosexual females than heterosexual males.

Furthermore, the brain waves of gay males while performing verbal and spatial tasks are more similar to heterosexual females than males or significantly different from both."

Relationships among childhood sex-atypical behavior, spatial ability, handedness, and sexual orientation in men. Cohen KM. Arch Sex Behav. (2002)
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And a few more brain studies:

Sexual orientation and its basis in brain structure and function

PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects

Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men

Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain

Brain response to putative pheromones in lesbian women

http://reberlab.psych.northwestern.e...ron_BN2007.pdf

and a few more studies:


Camperio Ciani, A., Cermelli, P., & Zanzotto, G. (2008). Sexually
antagonistic selection in human male homosexuality. Plos One, in
press.

Rahman, Q., Collins, A., Morrison, M., Orrells, J. C., Cadinouche, K.,
Greenfield, S., et al. (2008). Maternal inheritance and familial
fecundity factors in male homosexuality. Archives of Sexual
Behavior, 37.

Camperio Ciani, A., Iemmola, F., & Lombardi, L. (2008). Male
homosexuality partly correlates with an increased androphilia
and fecundity in females from maternal line

Vasey, P. L., & VanderLaan, D. P. (2007). Birth order and male
androphilia in Samoan fa’afafine. Proceedings of the Royal
Society of London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 274, 1437–1442.

Blanchard, R., & Lippa, R. A. (2007). Birth order, sibling sex ratio,
handedness, and sexual orientation of male and female participants
Archives of Sexual Behavior, 36, 163–176.

Savolainen,V.,&Lehmann,L. (2007). Genetics and bisexuality. Nature,
445, 158–159.

Bogaert, A. F. (2006). Biological versus nonbiological older brothers
and men’s sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences, 103, 10771–10774.

Rahman, Q., & Hull, M. S. (2005). An empirical test of the kin
selection hypothesis for male homosexuality. Archives of Sexual
Behavior, 34, 461–467.

King, M., Green, J., Osborn, D. P. J., Arkell, J., Hetherton, J., &
Pereira, E. (2005). Family size in white gay and heterosexual men.
Archives of Sexual Behavior, 34, 117–122.

Camperio Ciani, A., Corna, F., & Capiluppi, C. (2004). Evidence for
maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and
promoting female fecundity. Proceedings of the Royal Society of
London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 271, 2217–2221.

DuPree,M.G.,Mustanski, B. S.,Bocklandt, S., Nievergelt, C.,&Hamer,
D. H. (2004). A candidate gene study of CYP19 (aromatase) and
male sexual orientation. Behavior Genetics, 34, 243–250.

Blanchard, R. (2004). Quantitative and theoretical analyses of the
relation between older brothers and homosexuality in men.
Journal of Theoretical Biology, 230, 173–187.

Bobrow, D., & Bailey, J. M. (2001). Is male homosexuality maintained
via kin selection? Evolution and Human Behavior, 22, 361–368.

Bailey, J. M., Pillard, R. C., Dawood, K., Miller, M. B., Farrer, L. A.,
Tivedi, S., et al. (1999). A family history study of male sexual
orientation using three independent samples. Behavior Genetics,
29, 79–86.

Blanchard, R. (1997). Birth order and sibling sex ratio in homosexual
versus heterosexual males and females. Annual Review of Sex
Research, 8, 27–67.

Blanchard, R., & Klassen, P. (1997). H-Y antigen and homosexuality
in men. Journal of Theoretical Biology, 185, 373–378.

Hu,S., Pattatucci,A.M., Patterson, C.,Li,L.,Fulker,D.W.,Cherny, S.S.,
et al. (1995). Linkage between sexual orientation and chromosome
Xq28 in males but not in females. Nature Genetics, 11, 248–256.

Vasey, P. L. (1995). Homosexual behavior in primates: A review of
evidence and theory. International Journal of Primatology, 16,
173–204.

Hamer, D. H., Hu, S., Magnuson, V. L., Hu, N., & Pattattucci, A. M.
(1993). A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome
and male sexual orientation. Science, 261, 321–327.


Bailey, J. M., & Pillard, R. C. (1991). A genetic study of male sexual
orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48, 1089–1096.

//www.city-data.com/blogs/blog3...sexuality.html
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:43 PM
 
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But even more, why did we fall for it?!!!
I doubt the first generation of slaves fell for it. But after a few generations, the message that although life is tough here on Earth for you as a slave, it'll get much better once you get to heaven probably seemed pretty appealing given that you didn't have much else to cling on to.

Meanwhile of course, white folks got to enjoy their heaven right here on Earth seeing as how they knew better.

My question isn't really why we fell for it, but why, given all of the information and science we have today, do we STILL fall for it?
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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It is no wonder that you don't recognize the difference between a choice, the behavior (an ACT of doing something) of an immoral marriage... and forcing that immorality upon society, and actually BEING BORN (with ZERO say in the matter) black because one or both of your parents are black.

There is no gay gene. If there was then it might be possible to have it passed from your parents, but that isn't the case like it is with being born black, or any other race.


There is much evidence that being lesbian or homosexual is more related to your societal upbringing, and that it is a CHOICE, while at the same time there is ZERO evidence that any person is, was or will be born lesbian or homosexual.


Society has always and will always place pressure on people's behavior, insisting they behave legally and morally because this is something each and everyone of us can control about ourselves. None of us can control what race we are born into.

And what evidence would that be. Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. You are who you are, it's not a choice.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:03 PM
 
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Oh well.

You reap what you sow. White folks infected us black folks with this religious nonsense, and they can't understand why we've ended up even MORE brainwashed than White Christians are. SMH...

Bigotry and intolerance are taught, and guess where these pastors learned it from?

I'm just happy that I didn't get permanently infected.
Valid point!
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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Tax the church.
Each and every one of them.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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It is no wonder that you don't recognize the difference between a choice, the behavior (an ACT of doing something) of an immoral marriage... and forcing that immorality upon society, and actually BEING BORN (with ZERO say in the matter) black because one or both of your parents are black.

There is no gay gene. If there was then it might be possible to have it passed from your parents, but that isn't the case like it is with being born black, or any other race.


There is much evidence that being lesbian or homosexual is more related to your societal upbringing, and that it is a CHOICE, while at the same time there is ZERO evidence that any person is, was or will be born lesbian or homosexual.


Society has always and will always place pressure on people's behavior, insisting they behave legally and morally because this is something each and everyone of us can control about ourselves. None of us can control what race we are born into.
Ok..lets say for the sake of argument that homosexuality is a choice. Lots of evidence and history says NO, but lets say it is. So what else is a choice? Is Christianity a choice? Should we be looking for a Christian gene?
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:06 PM
 
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I'd love you to try to present that 'much evidence' because no reputable health organization or scientist agrees with you. And please. Nothing from that conservative religious anti-gay propaganda group NARTH.

On the other hand there is PLENTY of evidence that there are biological causes for sexual orientation
You could use objective reality as an argument against your hypothesis though.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:13 PM
 
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I doubt the first generation of slaves fell for it. But after a few generations, the message that although life is tough here on Earth for you as a slave, it'll get much better once you get to heaven probably seemed pretty appealing given that you didn't have much else to cling on to.

Meanwhile of course, white folks got to enjoy their heaven right here on Earth seeing as how they knew better.

My question isn't really why we fell for it, but why, given all of the information and science we have today, do we STILL fall for it?
'Christianity' first started and spread amongst the slaves and women in the Roman empire for very similar reasons.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:34 PM
 
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the·oc·ra·cy - : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided



"Stubborn resistance within the House Black Caucus, a 20-member bloc of African-American lawmakers who have faced a withering lobbying blitz against the plan from black ministers, has helped keep Harris’ legislation in check, with several House members still undecided." My question is this. The ministers are saying that god does not want gay marriage...are they getting this from the same bible, that was used by many to state slavery was ok in early America?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
So why is it important that they are BLACK? Are BLACK people not allowed to be Conservatives? Does every BLACK person have to be a Liberal? Does every BLACK person have to support the agenda of that tyrant in the Oval Office? Does every BLACK person have to be kept dumb, dependant, and ignorant, or are they allowed to think for themselves and make up their own minds?

{ I'm white, and I support marriage equality btw }
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