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Old 06-01-2013, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Good job there US foreign policy. Sadaam was bad but after the criminal attack of the country by the USA for no reason at all, things are WAY worse for the average person in the street. I can still hear that idiot Bush standing there and saying, "We will bring freedom and democracy to the people of Iraq". Well, how did that work out?

It's a typical outcome of American Imperialism gone bad. A lot of people on this board are complaining about Obama doing nothing or very little in Syria. That is the most brilliant thing a POTUS has done in a long time. Things are bad there but if the USA gets involved they will be a lot worse.
I wish that were true, but it's not. We are highly involved but covertly using the same people that we used to destabilize Libya. They are not freedom fighters, they aren't even Syrian.

A Proxy War Is Raging In Syria - BlackListedNews.com

Right now inside Syria, Hezbollah terrorist fighters – backed by the Syrian government, Iran and Lebanon – are fighting Al Qaeda, Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood terrorist fighters – backed by the U.S., Israel, the Eurozone, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
BBC reports:
The military chief of the main umbrella group of Syrian rebels … claimed that more than 7,000 fighters of the Lebanese Shia movement [Hezbollah ] were taking part in attacks on the rebel-held town of Qusair.
The French foreign minister has estimated the number at 3,000-4,000.
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Hezbollah fighters have been in Syria for some time now but their numbers appear to have grown rapidly over the last few weeks ….
Not only did the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia largely create, sponsor and fund Al Qaeda, but also two other groups fighting on the side of the Syrian rebels: Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

McCain visits Lebanese kidnappers.
McCain Visited Kidnappers in Syria | Syria Report

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A shocking report from pan-Arab TV station Al-Jadeed reveals America’s Republican Senator, John McCain, visited kidnappers of Lebanese pilgrims.
Elizabeth O’Bagy, political director for the “Syrian Emergency Task Force” and , a U.S.-based nonprofit providing support to the opposition, allegedly organised the visit which brought McCain just half a mile inside Syria on Monday 27 May.
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I wish that were true, but it's not. We are highly involved but covertly using the same people that we used to destabilize Libya. They are not freedom fighters, they aren't even Syrian.

A Proxy War Is Raging In Syria - BlackListedNews.com

Right now inside Syria, Hezbollah terrorist fighters – backed by the Syrian government, Iran and Lebanon – are fighting Al Qaeda, Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood terrorist fighters – backed by the U.S., Israel, the Eurozone, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
BBC reports:
The military chief of the main umbrella group of Syrian rebels … claimed that more than 7,000 fighters of the Lebanese Shia movement [Hezbollah ] were taking part in attacks on the rebel-held town of Qusair.
The French foreign minister has estimated the number at 3,000-4,000.
***
Hezbollah fighters have been in Syria for some time now but their numbers appear to have grown rapidly over the last few weeks ….
Not only did the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia largely create, sponsor and fund Al Qaeda, but also two other groups fighting on the side of the Syrian rebels: Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

McCain visits Lebanese kidnappers.
McCain Visited Kidnappers in Syria | Syria Report
Just more of the bat poop crazy American foreign policy idiocy. Everyone including Americans would be so far ahead if the USA would just keep the hell away from the whole mess!!!
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Old 06-01-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Lightbulb Over 1000 killed in Iraq in May

The stunning brilliance of neocon policy decisions.

And so many of the RWNJs still see Cheney as some kind of "great American."

No cure for stupid.
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The environmental and health consequences of that war continue, not only for the people of Iraq, but our soldiers that were and are stationed there. NO MORE WARS The war on terror is a sham, to protect pipelines.

Depleted Uranium Contamination is Still Spreading in Iraq

http://nuclear-news.net/2012/01/07/d...ealth-in-iraq/
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Old 06-01-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The stunning brilliance of neocon policy decisions.

And so many of the RWNJs still see Cheney as some kind of "great American."

No cure for stupid.
That is why the same people engineer stupid into the minds of their followers, they are so much easier to control when they are "true believers", just like the former President was.

There was a very real reason the Republican Party chose George Walker Bush as their candidate, they needed someone would would obey and had no agenda of his own.
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Old 06-01-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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Good job there US foreign policy. Sadaam was bad but after the criminal attack of the country by the USA for no reason at all, things are WAY worse for the average person in the street. I can still hear that idiot Bush standing there and saying, "We will bring freedom and democracy to the people of Iraq". Well, how did that work out?

It's a typical outcome of American Imperialism gone bad. A lot of people on this board are complaining about Obama doing nothing or very little in Syria. That is the most brilliant thing a POTUS has done in a long time. Things are bad there but if the USA gets involved they will be a lot worse.
I think anyone who was paying attention remembers that before we got involved we were constantly being told that "a million children were dying in Saddam's Iraq" by the media/Madeleine Albright/etc.

The Middle East is a mess either way. If you dare try to help make things better of course you become part of the problem.

At least now we don't have to hear about how EVIL AMERICA KILLED THOSE 1000 Iraqis like we did whenever Iraqis killed each other when we had troops in the country.
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Old 06-01-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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As many predicted, the Iraq war is looking worse and worse in retrospect. "Iraq" was barely a coherent country under Saddam, and now its natural fissures are (naturally) breaking it apart. The only real hope is that the inevitable civil war that accompanies the crackup will end up being less-violent than the first round of civil war from 2005 to 2008, but that looks like a forlorn hope as well.

And now we have Iraq's government saying that it stopped an "international terrorist plot" involving chemical weapons and targeting the US and Europe:

Iraq uncovers al-Qaeda 'chemical weapons plot'

That would be an immense irony if this or some future US president is compelled to re-invade Iraq to "root out the terrorists" that were created by the 2003 invasion...
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Old 06-01-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Over 1000 killed in Iraq in May

wow

over 2000 killed in the USA in May in traffic accidents




over 500,000 Iraqi children died from 1990-2000 ....and Clinton Sec of State M. Albright says..."well worth it"
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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over 2000 killed in the USA in May in traffic accidents
That would be a non sequitur. Iraq has less than 1/10th the population of the US and has its own share of traffic wrecks. The 1,000 deaths in the article aren't even all of Iraq's murder cases - only the ones resulting from militant violence. The kind that threatens the integrity and stability of the state. The state we spent a trillion dollars "rebuilding" and occupying from 2003 to 2011. So this is certainly disappointing news, to stay the least.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I think anyone who was paying attention remembers that before we got involved we were constantly being told that "a million children were dying in Saddam's Iraq" by the media/Madeleine Albright/etc.

The Middle East is a mess either way. If you dare try to help make things better of course you become part of the problem.

At least now we don't have to hear about how EVIL AMERICA KILLED THOSE 1000 Iraqis like we did whenever Iraqis killed each other when we had troops in the country.
All of those kids dying in Iraq were the result of US led sanctions on the country. Your comment is just plain unimformed ignorance.
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