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Old 06-01-2013, 01:14 PM
 
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I mentioned how the infant looks, to prove a point. I don't know what the child will look like in a year or two, but currently, if someone saw the baby, they would assume that the baby is white, when it's really mixed. But If race labels were truly based on genetics, this wouldn't be possible, because the mother would not be considered black (since based on genetics, although she has dark skin, she is in fact mixed race). Which proves that race, as we know it and use it, is nothing more than a social construct.
One black family here for example -- (black under the one-drop definition), the grandmother clearly has African features, the grandfather clearly has European (white) features. All the children look hispanic, the grandchildren all look white or whitish-hispanic.

There is no cut-off for race. Someone from India who is Caucasian can have darker skin than many blacks but if you were to bleach them and make them blond, they'd look like other Caucasians. If you bleach someone from Korea, they'll still look Asian.
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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I mentioned how the infant looks, to prove a point. I don't know what the child will look like in a year or two, but currently, if someone saw the baby, they would assume that the baby is white, when it's really mixed. But If race labels were truly based on genetics, this wouldn't be possible, because the mother would not be considered black (since based on genetics, although she has dark skin, she is in fact mixed race). Which proves that race, as we know it and use it, is nothing more than a social construct.
O.K. I understand the point you are trying to make.
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Race is a social construct because it does not determine skin color, eye color, hair color or hair texture. Much of what we believe about race is largely determined by our society. Why then are we so obsessed with race? Is it merely because we are social creatures and it's easier for us to identify with those who share commonalities, like skin color, hair texture and eye color? Or is it because we fear others, based on what we have been taught?

In the below video, an African American woman has given birth to a white baby (by appearances). If race was truly real, this wouldn't be possible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzY1NkGYPs


How can we move past viewing people as different, just because they may not share the same skin color.
I think you hit it on the head; skin color is the construct. I grew up in the Midwest, and we had lots of blondes, brunettes and redheads running around. Imagine if there had separate "blonde-American," "Brunette-American, and "redhead-American" cultures. Bizarre and absurd! But that's basically what we have evolved with skin color.

East and West Africans really have little in common, yet Pres. Obama is labeled "our first black president." Why? Because he shares the same skin color. Along the same lines, Marco Rubio is of Spanish (European) descent, yet if he were elected he would be labeled the first "Hispanic President." It's all a fiction, a fraud, and a fairy tale.
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Race is a social construct because it does not determine skin color, eye color, hair color or hair texture. Much of what we believe about race is largely determined by our society. Why then are we so obsessed with race? Is it merely because we are social creatures and it's easier for us to identify with those who share commonalities, like skin color, hair texture and eye color? Or is it because we fear others, based on what we have been taught?

In the below video, an African American woman has given birth to a white baby (by appearances). If race was truly real, this wouldn't be possible.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzY1NkGYPs


How can we move past viewing people as different, just because they may not share the same skin color.
Did you just ask if race is real?
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:04 PM
 
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Since race isn't real, when is affirmative action going away?

And all the white males denied positions in favor of blacks can start suing.....now.
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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Since race isn't real, when is affirmative action going away?

And all the white males denied positions in favor of blacks can start suing.....now.
I am stating that race as we know it, is a social construct, but I have never stated that genetics is unreal. My argument is, society defines race merely based on facial features and color, but those facial features and colors say nothing about a person's actual genetic makeup, which means the very nature of race is false.

How can you label someone white, just because they "look" white, or black, just because they "look" black. The answer is rooted in the deceptive nature of the racial labels.

Affirmative action in my opinion is just one of the many policies used to serve as a distraction and divider. In actuality, the main beneficiaries of affirmative action are not minorities in general, it's mostly women (particularly white, black, Asian and Hispanic women).
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:24 PM
 
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Since race isn't real, when is affirmative action going away?

And all the white males denied positions in favor of blacks can start suing.....now.
Seriously, I have a hard time believing that qualified white men are hurt by affirmative action policies. Perhaps unqualified white men may not be given opportunities that they would otherwise get, but qualified people in general usually win, that's just the way things tend to operate. Even if the qualified person is not selected for a particular opportunity, they have the skills and ability to usually start their own venture or find another employer who is willing to hire them.

BTW, do you voice the same concerns about legacy candidates or those who benefit strictly based off of their parents' net worth? People seem so pre-occupied with race, when in all honesty, the main people who benefit from our current system are the wealthy from all racial backgrounds.
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Old 06-01-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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But according to you, race determines skin pigmentation? If this is true, how can a dark woman give birth to a white baby?




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The baby obviously has a light skinned father, duh.
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Old 06-01-2013, 04:51 PM
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The baby obviously has a light skinned father, duh.
No the father is actually white, not just light skinned.


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Old 06-01-2013, 07:16 PM
 
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One black family here for example -- (black under the one-drop definition), the grandmother clearly has African features, the grandfather clearly has European (white) features. All the children look hispanic, the grandchildren all look white or whitish-hispanic.

There is no cut-off for race. Someone from India who is Caucasian can have darker skin than many blacks but if you were to bleach them and make them blond, they'd look like other Caucasians. If you bleach someone from Korea, they'll still look Asian.
There is no such thing as "looking Hispanic."
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