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Old 06-04-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Management is key. Even if you have a little cash you have to remember that it takes money to make money. For the poor it must be realized NEVER SPEND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE..You need money to go get more money. My mother used to tell me as a kid when I ventured down into the city..."put a dollar in your shoe"....always keep some seed money to grow more money.

I remember when I first met my wife. I gave her a thousand dollars to go out and get what we needed. When I picked her up I asked for the change. She handed me back 15 cents. I knew I was in trouble. Consumerism is her religion...She comes from a family that insist on spending everything they have. I was treated well by her when I had cash...I was abuse when I was broke. I just could not keep up to her spending.

It got to the point when I was free lancing in the film industry that I had to lie to her in order to keep afloat. At one time I would reveal what I made that day...later I learned that it was better to tell her that I had earned only half of what I really earned.

This morning my youngest son got up for work. His income is four times what mine is..I had to give him money for the day...He has no idea about management. I know he is young...and hopefully he will learn. As I said..whether you are rich or poor ...it takes money to make money...always keep a reserve.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Last time I looked at welfare decades ago the recipients could not have bank account let alone any savings. Accepting welfare effectively blocked the recipient for participating in normal commerce except to purchase whatever they were given money to buy. The poor are a profit sector for the people and companies that exploit them. The welfare system is designed to keep people poor so they wil always be available to make a profit for the connected.

If really poor people were just given money and some instruction on how to live on less they would do just fine. Some would overspend and others would save. The problem with this is they would not be forced to buy food or fuel or rent from specific sources. Food Stamps are not designed to feed people they are designed to provide a place for Agribusiness to dump it oversupply of subsidized food. Housing vouchers are meant to provide suppliers of substandard housing a profit no matter how bad a place they provide.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:12 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Funny to read this. I get a lot of insights in the shower too. Must be all that fine water on the brain.

I think the most obvious thing we could do is to invest dramatically in infrastructure work. That would create working class jobs, build skills, and do something that needs to be done for the next generation. The government needs to create real, decent, meaningful jobs. It is pretty obvious that the bail outs, tax cuts, etc. have not inspired the private sector to hire. If the government could do this for ten years (Why the hell not? we have been wasting money like drunk sailors in the Middle East for longer than that for what?), we would emerge from this, and the guys and gals would be journeymen in their professions. Yes, it would cost, but it would strengthen the country and the people.
The government doesn't create jobs and they do not open businesses. However, they do create a more difficult situation for those who do open businesses and create jobs. So I say, stop doing that.

A line from the movie Titanic, words spoken by the poor folks trapped in the belly of the ship, "Open the gate and give us a chance."
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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By providing funding for infrastructure work the government is "opening the gate" and giving private sector contractors a reason to provide jobs. Government funding has opened and kept in business any number of military supply companies. We are just proposing the same to build things that make the entire country a better place to live and do business.

The primary opposition to this are the current military contractors the fear losing the lucrative government contracts and welfare agencies dependant on supplying goods, but never money, to the poor.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The government doesn't create jobs and they do not open businesses. However, they do create a more difficult situation for those who do open businesses and create jobs. So I say, stop doing that.

A line from the movie Titanic, words spoken by the poor folks trapped in the belly of the ship, "Open the gate and give us a chance."

How could you even think such a dumb thing that the government does not create jobs!!

The government is the biggest employer in the country BY FAR!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the government does not open businesses in the USA but they sure do here in Canada. We have government owned businesses in just about every sector of the economy. From telecoms to mining, oil and gas to insurance. If fact, the region of Canada that is doing the very best and I mean BEST with a capital B is Saskatchewan. My son in law is a welder there and last year he made $160,000. That is not rare at all and in fact there is a major shortage of ALL skilled tradesman. Anyway, Saskatchewan, politically is something an American could never get his head around. It's the most socialist of all the Canadian provinces. The government owns hundreds of large corporations and at the same time it's a very conservative place. Can you imagine it???? A conservative socialist government!!!! I really don't think an American could understand such a concept.

Anyway, what we have there is a government that tries to do the best for businesses. They are succeeding in that as big corporate interests are alway breaking down the door to get a piece of the action there. At the same time the same government does it's best for the everyday man in the street and all of the workers in the province. The unemployment rate for May 2013 was 4%.

It's impossible for an American state to replicate the across the board success that we see in Sask. The reason for that is American politics are BOUND by ideology that precludes doing what is best for everyone. There is such a lack of pragmatism, doing the correct thing just because it's correct is against all American political thought. The country is going down down down as a result. The divisions are getting wider, the dissatisfaction is getting greater by the day and NOTHING is accomplished in moving the country forward and in fact it has been going backward since the Clinton administration.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Nothing. That's neither the job, or purpose of government. The best short description I have read is here,

The Purpose of the U.S. Government Per the Constitution - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
You can argue that's not the job of the federal government, which was granted specific enumerated powers.

However, states have general police powers.
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Old 06-04-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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the "JOB CREATORS" gave me nothing, I used to work at goldman sachs and they laid me off because Lloyd needed more money for his mansion in upstate ny.

The words in red speak volumes... Why should any employer give anyone anything but their pay? Are you entitled to be given to? You work you earn. And if I was a betting person... that's not why you got "laid off."
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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A little pun intended! while in the shower, my 10x5 foot shower, i'm not thinking politics? Stress free while in my shower.

Things have to change for the better for our future generations, your children, and grandchildren mine. We all know things that need or should be done. But the question is, will they. Or will Government keep us down.

This government here and today if we the people let them in, will run all facets of our lives, do we really want this? Starts with little inconspicious things, that then grow and grow.

I don't.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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Propose a bill that would adjust the minimum wage based on inflation rates.

Keeping up with inflation since the 50s, our national minimum wage would be pver $12 an hour.

Im not a low income poster, but legislation like this is simple common sense.
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Old 06-04-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Propose a bill that would adjust the minimum wage based on inflation rates.

Keeping up with inflation since the 50s, our national minimum wage would be pver $12 an hour.

Im not a low income poster, but legislation like this is simple common sense.
Common sense is one thing the GOP has none of. used to get a laugh out of Palin and her unarticulated "Common sense" solutions. They were for sure "NONSENSE SOLUTIONS".
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