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Toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein was a staged event, by U.S. soldiers, for the media. A Reuters long-shot of Firdos Square where the statue was located (see below) shows that the Square was nearly empty when Saddam was torn down. The Square was sealed off by the U.S. military. The 200 people milling about were U.S. Marines, international press and Iraqis. However, the media portrayed it as an event of the Iraqi people. An American military vehicle actually pulled down the statue.
So all those little Iraqi children, who were beating the statue's head with their shoes, were all US Marines? I talked to three different soldiers, all of which spent time over there, and all three of them told me that the Iraqi citizens are thankful for what the soldiers have done for them. The media has done a great job at making it look like our soldiers are just standing around and getting killed with nothing to show for it. Talk to a soldier. You will get a much different perspective. You can't believe everything that Rosie O'Donell, Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, and the Dixie Chicks tell you. Try talking to an Iraqi citizen. I dare you to look them in the eye and say "We never should have helped you people, and your freedom was a waste of our time and money."
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
Noone ever claimed we were going into Iraq to go after Al Qaeda, so this argument is a strawman you need to leave alone.
Of course they didn't claim, it was all carefully composed innuendo about those responsible for 9/11 hearing from us........Rah! Rah! Rah! and the trash talking swaggerer continues his prancing. Nothing like cheap talk to get something done.
That doesn't change my opinion that a more appropriate response to 9/11 would have been to actually step back and assess the situation rather than pursue a personal agenda (this is well documented) that had been established months before 9/11.
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Toppling the statue of Saddam Hussein was a staged event, by U.S. soldiers, for the media. A Reuters long-shot of Firdos Square where the statue was located (see below) shows that the Square was nearly empty when Saddam was torn down. The Square was sealed off by the U.S. military. The 200 people milling about were U.S. Marines, international press and Iraqis. However, the media portrayed it as an event of the Iraqi people. An American military vehicle actually pulled down the statue.
So all those little Iraqi children, who were beating the statue's head with their shoes, were all US Marines? I talked to three different soldiers, all of which spent time over there, and all three of them told me that the Iraqi citizens are thankful for what the soldiers have done for them. The media has done a great job at making it look like our soldiers are just standing around and getting killed with nothing to show for it. Talk to a soldier. You will get a much different perspective. You can't believe everything that Rosie O'Donell, Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, and the Dixie Chicks tell you. Try talking to an Iraqi citizen. I dare you to look them in the eye and say "We never should have helped you people, and your freedom was a waste of our time and money."
I'm sure many are thankful for us being there, but most want us out. A pretty solid majority (according to polls) wants the US to either leave immediately or set a quick timetable for withdrawl.
I always hear everybody saying "We are losing the war in Iraq" or "this war is impossible to win." But I'm not so sure I agree with that. Even though I'm not much of a fan of George Bush, I like to give credit where credit is due. Before Bush was president, Sadam Hussein and his sons were ruling Iraq and we considered Iraq to be our worst enemy. After seven years of Bush being president, now Sadam and his sons are dead, and Iraq is no longer our enemy. I'm not sure what people consider a "win", but it seems to me that whenever a country invades another country, then kills their evil leader, re-establishes their government, and then converts them from enemy to friend, doesn't that constitute a win? I remember seeing news footage of Iraqi citizens dancing in the streets and yanking down statues of Sadam when the american soldiers captured him. Shouldn't that be considered a victory?
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
Noone ever claimed we were going into Iraq to go after Al Qaeda, so this argument is a strawman you need to leave alone.
Bush has been quoted by the BBC as saying he was told by God to go into Iraq. Unless you have information that refutes that interview I'd say his invasion of Iraq was purely the execution of a personal agenda, I don't think it gets more personal than claiming you're acting as God told you to.
Bush has been quoted by the BBC as saying he was told by God to go into Iraq. Unless you have information that refutes that interview I'd say his invasion of Iraq was purely the execution of a personal agenda, I don't think it gets more personal than claiming you're acting as God told you to.
So let's see, the people that were actually there related what Bush told them ...and then the White House Press Secretary that was not there vigorously denied it was said.
From the outside looking in, could I suggest it seems more like Bush got loose from his handlers and they had to hunker down into damage control mode.
So let's see, the people that were actually there related what Bush told them ...and then the White House Press Secretary that was not there vigorously denied it was said.
From the outside looking in, could I suggest it seems more like Bush got loose from his handlers and they had to hunker down into damage control mode.
You're hanging your hat on Nabil Shaath and Abu Mazen?
I don't know those guys too well, but I can assure you I will not be hanging my hat on the White House Press Secretary.
So you trust people you don't know.
I hope you're not blind, also...
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