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Old 06-05-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It matters to me. A lot of people are arrested wrongfully for one thing and the other is that we all know that the government wants every last piece of information on each individual giving them ultimate control. I see the necessity when they have DNA from the crime scene and a suspect in the crime but other than that, no!
I agree. You can be walking down a street, Fit a description and then get mis-identified by a crime victim. Here in New York where there is a dense population people get taken in by mistake or for the wrong reasons frequently. There is an "Operation Lucky bag" even where the P.D. leaves things like wallets and cell phones in public places and then anyone who picks it up gets taken in. It has caused controversy and a few tourists to our city even got snagged. And these were mostly people with no previous record. Some on their way to work who pay taxes to help fund this whole thing even.

The Government and large corporations want to know everything about you. And they have a lot already, Believe me. Your past, your present, what you read, watch and even buy to eat. This is not paranoia or tin foil hat stuff. Privacy is becoming a rare commodity. Project Echelon and this new proposal are proof enough.

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Old 06-06-2013, 04:47 AM
 
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I guess being retired military and working in the defense industry for another 20+ years has provided me with a different view.

Believe me if the government wants to get information on you it will, whether it has your DNA or not and as I stated before, the current administration is a perfect example of taking away your constitutional rights. An example of the change occurring (without your DNA) is the Supreme Courts decision on eminent domain. They can take your property in order to get more taxes...and you're worried about DNA?
Like I said, they can get any information on you they choose now...

Excite News - Report: Gov't scooping up Verizon phone records
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Doesn't matter where it is STRAIGHT out of, that is how I feel.
Have you ever read the 4th? You should. LINK
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: New England
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Since folks are arrested all the time for protesting, yes non-violent protesting, I wouldn't be too worried about it long-term. The number of arrested would grow to be the entire country's worth of people and the small numbers actually in govt would not be able to handle all the information. It may work now as a scare tactic but luckily tptb are not quite as with it as you'd expect by reading something like 1984.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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I think on one hand it's good that there's a greater pool of identifying DNA to compare to a suspect, but on the other hand, it makes me really uneasy. Though I've never been arrested, even I know that DNA like that in the wrong hands could be catastrophic. And considering how many police departments have been in trouble for false confessions and forced confessions, I wouldn't put framing past them to solve a case.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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Since folks are arrested all the time for protesting, yes non-violent protesting, I wouldn't be too worried about it long-term. The number of arrested would grow to be the entire country's worth of people and the small numbers actually in govt would not be able to handle all the information. It may work now as a scare tactic but luckily tptb are not quite as with it as you'd expect by reading something like 1984.
I don't know, they aren't individually physically reviewing these data points. meta data, agents, bots, etc seem to work pretty well
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:53 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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they aren't individually physically reviewing these data points.
meta data, agents, bots, etc seem to work pretty well
It's not about the mechanics or practical aid to investigation that it could be.
It's about the principle of unreasonable search.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:50 AM
 
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Have you ever read the 4th? You should. LINK

Have you ever worked in the counter intelligence field? No warrant was issued for getting phone records as an example. Just because YOU don't know about it, doesn't mean information isn't being gathered .
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:19 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Just because YOU don't know about it, doesn't mean information isn't being gathered .
And your point is... what?
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Its no different than being fingerprinted. All they're trying to do is identify who this person is for certain. If they haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about. In fact, DNA could also set you free, as it has in some cases.
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