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Racism is quite ugly, and it has resulted in alot of bad things.
But what does racism have to do with desiring more diversity in our immigration numbers rather than favoring one ethnic group? What does racism have to do with desiring immigrants who will benefit our country rather than burden it? I'll wait.
Well.... there are something like 22 or 23 hispanic run nations --- so why is it that millions upon millions are fleeing them and demanding an amnesty in a non-hispanic nation? Why don't they ever flee a hispanic nation and try to live in another hispanic nation?
All you who demand unlmited hispanic immigration are racists. La Raza is a very racist group. Anyone who believes in unlimited immigration from Mexico or Latin America has nothing to say about someone who wants more British immigration.
Exactly! Don't hold your breath for an answer though.
But what does racism have to do with desiring more diversity in our immigration numbers rather than favoring one ethnic group? What does racism have to do with desiring immigrants who will benefit our country rather than burden it? I'll wait.
I wasn't talking about immigrants. I think you should go back to the post I was replying to. It had nothing to do with immigration. It had do with some comments a certain poster made.
Because they are comming to a country with a black leader and the party in power that is inclusive of Blacks, Asians, hispanics, Women, and gays...and progressive white folk.
Oh please, Latino immigration both legally and illegally has been occurring for decades now. Obama has only been our president for one term and a few months. Democrats haven't always been in power. We have had several GOP adminstrations also. Stop with this crap that they aren't inclusive of minorities. You've got one of the worst victim mentalities in this forum.
They are coming to this country because we offer more goodies, that's all. All the while many are not assimilating into our society as they would if they had migrated to another Hispanic country instead.
Should we not favor more affluent immigrants? People less likely to be a burden upon us? Forget the nationality or race. We dont need non-english speakers with little or no education. This country produces a bumper crop of unskilled workers. We hardly need more. We especially don't need people who respect our laws and our rights as a nation so little as to completely ignore the laws.
Exactly -- but as we can now see the problems with immigration that is far too slanted in favor of those who cannot learn English and aren't assimilating, we could change immigration laws to favor those who can speak English.
That would actually mean immigrants from India would dominate because India is the largest speaking nation in the world. We would get immigrants from countries like Barbados where literacy rates are very high and when they come here, they easily adapt.
Immigration should not be about making the USA the flop house of the world. Our very high costs of living today plus the fact that we are in a post-industrial age should mean we adapt immigration rules to the new reality. It's no longer possible to give large amounts of acres to homesteaders and our factories need more robotics, not impoverished hordes that cannot survive without Medicaid and food stamps.
Unemployment rates are simply too high for us to be inviting in millions unskilled cheap laborers every year.
I wasn't talking about immigrants. I think you should go back to the post I was replying to. It had nothing to do with immigration. It had do with some comments a certain poster made.
The topic of this thread however is about immigration.
Between 1700 and the beginning of the American Revolution, approximately 250,000 Africans, 210,000 Europeans (mostly Scots-Irish and Germans) and 50,000 convicts had reached the colonial shores - so, between 1700 and 1776 MORE THAN HALF the people who came to America were either convicts or slaves - THOSE people were NOT "middle class".
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Are you suggesting we go back to that since it was done in th past? Even if you want to consider the slaves who were brought here in chains as immigrants, we do not have half our immigrants coming from African nations now.
Machines have replaced the need for cheap cotton pickers -- we cannot justify bringing in many millions of people who today have no cotton to pick. Today there are fewer than 1 million total jobs in agriculture and most uneducated immigrants end up needing Medicaid, foodstamps, EITC and other welfare handouts to feed and support their children.
Like it or not, in today's USA, it can be difficult enough for two college graduates to support a family here. We have a big shortage of taxpayers -- the only people paying federal income taxes are those who have incomes over a certain level and to have an income over that level, you need to be able to speak English and have at least a high school education.
The topic of this thread however is about immigration.
It might be, but the person I was responding to, I was agreeing with him regarding someone he responded to. I would go back to the original root of the discussion.
They leave because most Hispanic nations, even though nominally republics, are actually feudal systems with very little hope or opportunity for the peasants. This is true all the way from Mexico to Argentina. It is a tough situation to be in the wrong class in these patron controlled places.
The vast increase in immigration from Mexico happened after NAFTA allowed subsidized US corn growers to dump their surpluses on the Mexican market below the costs of production. This caused countless thousands of Mexican small farmers to lose their lands to the bankers and to become near slave labor in the US. It was a very deliberate way to provide a near endless supply of cheap labor for the US agribusiness.
Many of us disparage the Hispanic Immigrants but most are desperate people just trying to get by and are willing to work for their living. I think they need a revolution in their own countries to change the class system into a more egalitarian and fair government. We need to do the same in the USA.
We were oversupplied with British and Irish peasants when the feudal landowners drove their tenants off the land in the 1800’s. The problem is not the peasants but the overly greedy land owners and their royal supporters. Incidentally many of these people did not speak american when they arrived but their childern did.
You're trying to make excuses for illegal immigration and there aren't any. NAFTA negatively impacted American citizens also. Why is the USA the only answer for these Mexican peasants? There are any number of other Hispanic nations they could choose to flee to.
Speak American? Do you mean English? That was a long time ago when immigrants came here and learned English. That's not nearly as true today as back then and a lot of that is due to massive illegal immigration.
Speak American? Do you mean English? That was a long time ago when immigrants came here and learned English. That's not nearly as true today as back then and a lot of that is due to massive illegal immigration.
Contrary to your fear-tinged xenophobia, Latino immigrants ARE assimilating at the same rates or faster as earlier ethnic or cultural groups. Most of them are bilingual. And most of the 2nd or 3rd generation start losing their Spanish speaking abilities. Not unlike other European ethnic groups.
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