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Old 06-07-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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That is NOW what is happening.

The judge let a NYC boy get on the list and there's another lawsuit for another child to get on the list.
Precedent has been set.


So if this is the case then get rid of the 2 lists and just have a single list and they all get prioritized regardless of age.
Screw those doctors, what do they know about setting guidelines for organ transplants? Obviously laypeople like judges and politicians are much more suited to decide who gets lungs and who doesn't. Amirite?
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:52 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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What death panel, this is just the opposite. The little girl is now on the list to get a lung and live. No waiting for politicians to do a study on the issue that will take a year to do and she will be dead.

Sorry you are not happy that she has a change to live now.

Do you understand that HER chance to live means that someone else dies? I don't think you are clear on that.

Why are you so happy that another very ill patient, perhaps a better candidate, now has to die because this little girl had media coverage? Why?
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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That is true. The problem is that the bureaucracy moves slower than medical technology so you end up with outdated rules or a one-size-fits-all scenario which doesn't apply to medicine. Doctors can examine an individual case and consider age, condition, size etc. and determine who has a better chance of being successful with the current technology more accurately than a rule implemented in the past based on trends.
But you have to think in common sense terms.
Would a whole, intact child size lung have a better outcome, or would a cut down adult sized lung work better?

Simply altering the lung, you are going to decrease the likelihood of a good outcome, whereas the same lung put into an adult would have a better outcome.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What death panel, this is just the opposite. The little girl is now on the list to get a lung and live. No waiting for politicians to do a study on the issue that will take a year to do and she will be dead.

Sorry you are not happy that she has a change to live now.
No, what happens now is that the adult that was #1 is now #3 since 2 children got bumped to be on 2 lists and there's another child lawsuit to do the same for a third child.

Do we let all the adults die now ?
You're happy that a lawyer and judge decided who gets medical priority ?
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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The OP has not been known for any intelligent discourse so appealing to her sensibilities is a waste of time. It is always the what she wants stuff to happen. Logic is not her strong point.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And what happens with the next parent that wants a "special exemption" for their child?

The transplant list requirements were set by DOCTORS.
JUDGES should not be making medical decisions.
YOu would really like to see this child die?.. the lungs go to the ones who most need it..This girl needs it more than them all.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Do you think she is the only one waiting for a lung? There is a reason that children are in a different grouping. Smaller chest cavity, means that the lung will need to be cut down.

Now, do you think survival rates are better when you take a whole lung and transplant it, or when you have to cut the lung to fit? More trauma to the lung, will reduce chances of success, when that whole lung could have gone to someone it fit into whole.
Tell that to your child...The lungs go to the ones who are most critical and will die if they don't get it.. she is in worse shape then all of the adults.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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YOu would really like to see this child die?.. the lungs go to the ones who most need it..This girl needs it more than them all.
How do you decide that?

If patient A has two weeks to live, and patient B has two weeks to live, which patient needs the lungs more?

What if patient C has two weeks to live, and the transplant will give patient C two years to live. And patient D has four weeks to live, but that transplant will give patient D forty years to live. Is it better to give it to patient C, and let patient D die?
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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But you have to think in common sense terms.
Would a whole, intact child size lung have a better outcome, or would a cut down adult sized lung work better?

Simply altering the lung, you are going to decrease the likelihood of a good outcome, whereas the same lung put into an adult would have a better outcome.
Wow, you think you are God now. Death panel thinking!
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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YOu would really like to see this child die?.. the lungs go to the ones who most need it..This girl needs it more than them all.
There are guidelines set by DOCTORS for a reason.
I don't want anyone to die, but it is not a JUDGES call to make.
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