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Old 06-07-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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she added, "obviously we still need a match."
Sarah, The Philadephia Inquirer writes, "has cystic fibrosis and only weeks to live, according to her parents. She has been on the waiting list for children's lungs for 18 months and in Children's Hospital of Philadelphia since February. The order does not mean that Sarah will be next in line for adult lungs; rather, she will be offered lungs before wait-listed adults whose need is less dire."
Judge Gives Girl Who Needs New Lungs A 'Fighting Chance' : The Two-Way : NPR
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Judge Gives Girl Who Needs New Lungs A 'Fighting Chance' : The Two-Way : NPR

"she will be offered lungs before wait-listed adults whose need is less dire."
Yeah, except now that the rules have been destroyed, it's every patient for himself. Medical need has just given way to whoever has the best PR agent and the cutest and youngest patient.

And you've spent this entire thread approving it. You should be ashamed. Those rules were set up to prevent people like you and that sorry excuse for a judge from taking over the system and setting up the vicious feeding frenzy we're already seeing.

This is going to be a nightmare.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Yeah, except now that the rules have been destroyed, it's every patient for himself. Medical need has just given way to whoever has the best PR agent and the cutest and youngest patient.

And you've spent this entire thread approving it. You should be ashamed. Those rules were set up to prevent people like you and that sorry excuse for a judge from taking over the system and setting up the vicious feeding frenzy we're already seeing.

This is going to be a nightmare.
This ^^^^^^

I don't how some people can look themselves in the mirror.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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The doctors had to submit a request to get the judge to move. That is obvious.
No, the parents submitted a request to the judge. The doctors simply said that (1) a transplant of an adult to a child of a lung, as long as the lung is compatible, could be successful, and that (2) if such a transplant were performed, the child's medical condition would be improved.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Yeah, except now that the rules have been destroyed, it's every patient for himself. Medical need has just given way to whoever has the best PR agent and the cutest and youngest patient.

And you've spent this entire thread approving it. You should be ashamed. Those rules were set up to prevent people like you and that sorry excuse for a judge from taking over the system and setting up the vicious feeding frenzy we're already seeing.

This is going to be a nightmare.
This exactly.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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Both solid points.

So, do you agree or disagree with my argument that it shouldn't be judges and lawyers deciding these protocols? It should be doctors, objectively considering the facts, determining the protocols to give donated organs to the BEST matches, with the BEST chances of long-term survival?
In general, yes.

Protocols are developed. A person or people are free to take that to court if they believe them to be arbitrary or unfair - which happens in various fields and industries throughout society. If they can demonstrate through evidence that the standard has an unfair impact that isn't justified by the merits, just as in any other field, then the judge can intervene and strike the standard. The judge should not write a new standard because the judge doesn't have the background, but if the parties are able to show that the existing standard is not medically supported, I don't mind them striking it. Given the time constraints and the potential impact, I don't mind if the judge says that the party filing the complaint should be treated as though that specific protocol did not exist until the standard can be reviewed and adjusted. I don't support saying that the person must be moved to the top of the list automatically, but I would support saying to place her on the list wherever she would fall without the standard that has been shown not to be medically supported.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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This decision is very disappointing. I can't imagine what they were thinking?
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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So then can pediatric lungs be used in adults... It should go both ways.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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Yeah, except now that the rules have been destroyed, it's every patient for himself. Medical need has just given way to whoever has the best PR agent and the cutest and youngest patient.

And you've spent this entire thread approving it. You should be ashamed. Those rules were set up to prevent people like you and that sorry excuse for a judge from taking over the system and setting up the vicious feeding frenzy we're already seeing.

This is going to be a nightmare.
Yup, this, I tried to rep yah but the wand has given out for today.

The transplant system has worked and has been in place for decades and now it has been destroyed. It will be for those who have money for a good lawyer or a good story.
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Old 06-07-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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So then can pediatric lungs be used in adults... It should go both ways.
Exhibit A in why non-medical people shouldn't be allowed within 10 miles of organ recipient decisions.
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