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Old 07-01-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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Because. as a newborn infant, he would have been taking notes.
He related what his mother told him about his father and about their marriage. You know, the same woman whose lawyer filed the divorce documents which corroborate the fact that Obama's mother was MARRIED at the time of his birth and his parents were living together as husband and wife in Honolulu.

Make your choice...

1) Obama lied in his own book.

2) Obama lied about being born to a single mom.

Either way, you've been DUPED by a man who lies as often as most people change their underwear. Man up and admit it, HD.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:41 PM
 
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And by all evidence, they were telling the truth.
What all evidence?

The divorce filing submitted by Obama's mother's lawyer indicates Obama's parents were MARRIED at the time of Obama's birth and that they lived together as husband and wife in Honolulu. Obama's own book corroborates that info, adding the info that all three of them moving to Obama's father's grad school location was considered, and plans were made for all three of them to return to Kenya when Obama's father finished his education.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What all evidence?
Jerome Corsi proved that when Obama was born, his mother and father were living at two different addresses.

Documents show marriage of Obama’s parents a sham

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While Ann Dunham may have sought Obama Sr. as her husband and the father of her child, the record suggests the two never lived together as a married couple.
Ann lived at 6085 Kalanianaola Highway.

Obama Sr. lived at 1482 Alencastre St. in Honolulu.

Go tell Corsi he's a liar. I love to see his already red face get all apoplectic and explode.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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He related what his mother told him about his father and about their marriage.
Ahhh, so you admit Obama was not lying after all. At worst he was misinformed.

The girl can be taught. Who knew?
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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At worst he was misinformed.
Then why no correction? Why keep telling the American public two completely different narratives?

And such supposed confusion still doesn't explain why Obama tried passing off the EGREGIOUS LIE that the Selma march of 1965 inspired his 1961 birth.

It also blows to hell Obama's completely fabricated Selma lovey-dovey tale of two people of different races falling in love and wanting to be together (his parents).
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Then why no correction?
What do you mean? Haven't you been whining for days now that he has somehow changed the story? Isn't that the whole point of your "single mother" whine?

That's your correction right there.

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Why keep telling the American public two completely different narratives?
He's not "telling two completely different narratives." We established that days ago. You simply are incapable of understanding ordinary English.

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And such supposed confusion still doesn't explain why Obama tried passing off the EGREGIOUS LIE that the Selma march of 1965 inspired his 1961 birth.
An anachronism in a family history is not an "egregious lie." It is the rule. Having actually done family history for more than 30 years, it's hard for me to get excited by something quite that typical.

But in the end... who cares?


He is a natural born US citizen and eligible for the job he holds.


So... have you gone to WND and started calling Corsi a liar yet?

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Old 07-02-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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What do you mean? Haven't you been whining for days now that he has somehow changed the story?
No, I've correctly pointed out that Obama has spoken two directly contradicting versions of his parents' marriage and the circumstances of his birth to the American public for their consumption.

How many fools have fallen for it, besides you?
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But in the end... who cares?
Who cares if a politician repeatedly lies to the American public for political expediency? Really?!?

The ridiculous Selma march of 1965 inspired my 1961 birth lie was one thing, and only the truly stupid fell for that, but the Benghazi attack YouTube video lie to cover up an Ambassador's murder is beyond the pale.
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He is a natural born US citizen and eligible for the job he holds.
The State Dept has explicitly determined otherwise in other cases. These men were not even U.S. citizens at all:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Digest of the International Law of the United States

Obama was born to a transient foreign citizen/subject father, and admittedly subject at birth to the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Nowhere in the Constitution, U.S. Code, or SCOTUS is such a person granted birthright citizenship.

Obama may have, however, naturalized as a U.S. citizen at some point in his life. Such would still not render him eligible, though.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, I've correctly pointed out that Obama has spoken two directly contradicting versions of his parents' marriage and the circumstances of his birth to the American public for their consumption.
And having admitted explicitly that the first "version" was a case of him simply having been misinformed by his mother, and the second "version" (i.e. the current version) is the correct one supported by all the actual evidence, it is clear by every sane definition of "correction" that you already got the correction you demanded two posts ago.

For god's sake woman, can't you even keep your own arguments. straight?

Now back to the subject at hand.

1. The only authority on the planet capable of authoritatively declaring Obama to be born in Hawaii is the State of Hawaii. They have so declared. There is no actual evidence that contradicts them.

This is a settled issue.

2. The PDF of the birth certificate released by the Whitehouse has been conclusively proven to be the ordinary output of an ordinary three step scanning workflow started on a Xerox WorkCentre 7535. There was no forgery involved.

This is a settled issue.

3. 23 US courts have reviewed the birther arguments regarding the definition of NBC and rejected them all. These courts have declared Obama to be a natural born US citizen, fully eligible for the position he holds. The Supreme Court has declined to review those decision no less than 25 times.

This is a settled issue.

4. Under both US and Indonesian law, there is nothing that Obama, his mother, his step father or the Indonesian government can have done to deny him his NBC status. The State Department has further testified in court and under oath that Obama is NBC and that he has never been an Indonesian citizen.

This is a settled issue.

In summary: Obama is a natural born US citizen, fully eligible for the position he holds.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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2. The PDF of the birth certificate released by the Whitehouse has been conclusively proven to be the ordinary output of an ordinary three step scanning workflow started on a Xerox WorkCentre 7535. There was no forgery involved.
i've yet to see any response from the birthers ( besides "steve" on this forum ) about the xerox workcentre 7535 findings. are they just completely ignoring it or have i missed something?
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:03 PM
 
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And having admitted explicitly that the first "version" was a case of him simply having been misinformed by his mother, and the second "version" (i.e. the current version) is the correct one supported by all the actual evidence, it is clear by every sane definition of "correction" that you already got the correction you demanded two posts ago.
Obama was not born to a single mom, as both he and his wife have tried to LIE to the American public. His mother's own 1964 divorce filing contradicts that assertion.

And again, because you remain ignorant of the facts, the State Dept has explicitly determined that those born in the U.S. subject to a foreign power are not even U.S. citizens at all:

Secretary of State Frederick Frelinghuysen determined Ludwig Hausding, though born in the U.S., was not born a U.S. citizen because he was subject to a foreign power at birth having been born to a Saxon subject alien father.

Similarly, Secretary of State Thomas Bayard determined Richard Greisser, though born in Ohio, was not born a U.S. citizen because Greisser's father, too, was an alien, a German subject at the time of Greisser's birth. Bayard specifically stated that Greisser was at birth 'subject to a foreign power,' therefore not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Digest of the International Law of the United States

Obama was born to a transient foreign citizen/subject father, and admittedly subject at birth to the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Nowhere in the Constitution, U.S. Code, or SCOTUS is such a person granted birthright citizenship.

Obama may have, however, naturalized as a U.S. citizen at some point in his life. Such would still not render him eligible, though.

I'll repeat: Nowhere in the Constitution, U.S. Code, or SCOTUS is a person born in the U.S. to a transient foreign citizen/subject father granted birthright citizenship.
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