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Old 06-15-2013, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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In primitive times...only the smartest and strongest person would become tribal leader...This would ensure the survival of the tribe.. Now in our modern artificial world a weak person of limited ability and intelligence can take the most powerful office on earth...AND we see why the so called war on terror is an utter failure _ You have whimpish western leaders attempting to contend with naturally strong leaders - who lead because they are fit to lead their tribe...This explains why America will never vanquish the tribal system in eastern parts of the world...It would be like pitting a desk sitting bureaucrat against a natural leader. The natural strong man will kick your ass.

So - the point I am making is that American administrators are afraid of tribal leaders who they call terrorists..........and they are ALSO afraid of their own natural tribal leaders who are American citizens...It is all due to an artificial electoral system where our best do NOT and are NOT allowed to rise to the top...only those who have millions of stolen dollars buy their way to the top...The war on terror includes the war on American citizens that terrify weakling bureaucrats that NEED to spy on anyone they consider a threat...which would be any man or woman that is superior to them naturally.

 
Old 06-15-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This is what happens in a defective system - where officials are not truly elected but installed by the status quo. A strong and intelligent natural leader is not afraid of the population. These people fear those they rule over. The reason being is that those without ability...people who are inept and inferior...have through a rigged and artificial system acquired dominance and power..They are a paranoid bunch..because they understand that they are NOT there because they were elected ...The popular vote is ignored in the present elective system.

If I had a bunch of neighbors that I wanted to dominate and control - I would have to spy on them constantly in order to harvest as many of their sins as possible - And hand those sins over their heads in order to coerce and control...Obama and his group are into institutional black mail...They are subjected to black mail and in turn the black mail those supposedly below them...The system stinks.
What are you even talking about? We don't have elections? Seems to me that every second year we have elections and power changes hands quite often, which counters your assertion that it's the status quo. The right-wing can't have it both ways. It can't claim that President Obama is a radical, bent upon destroying the country and at the same time claim he is a product of the status quo.

All Senators, except Sen. Russ Feingold, voted for the Patriot Act. Now, the same Senators that voted for it are now complaining that the President is using the power that they themselves granted him. If these schmuckos were worried about potential abuses, that was the time not to enable them.

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Old 06-15-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Spying on law abiding Americans is no big deal to the socialist turd wanna be dictator in the WH---why am I not surprised

Obama: Spying programs only
Americans do not have a right to privacy anyway. Not that I particularly support this, but I don't get why people are up in arms about "privacy" when we never had it to begin with.
 
Old 06-15-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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"This Administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we demand. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom.

That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient.

That is not who we are. It's not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works.

Our constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers and that justice is not arbitrary.

This administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not.

There are no shortcuts to protecting America."
-Barack Obama


Obama in 2007: No more spying on citizens who are not suspected of a crime - YouTube



I bought the lies, I voted for him. He may as well stick an (R) by his name at this point. He's no different.
 
Old 06-15-2013, 05:12 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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What are you even talking about? We don't have elections? Seems to me that every second year we have elections and power changes hands quite often, which counters your assertion that it's the status quo. The right-wing can't have it both ways. It can't claim that President Obama is a radical, bent upon destroying the country and at the same time claim he is a product of the status quo.

All Senators, except Sen. Russ Feingold, voted for the Patriot Act. Now, the same Senators that voted for it are now complaining that the President is using the power that they themselves granted him. If these schmuckos were worried about potential abuses, that was the time not to enable them.
Nothing changes but the seats and which crook sits in it. Next time around it's the Republican's turn to take what they can, then it'll be the Democrats etc. etc.
Musical chairs and it all changes but somehow remains the same.
 
Old 06-15-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Nothing changes but the seats and which crook sits in it. Next time around it's the Republican's turn to take what they can, then it'll be the Democrats etc. etc.
Musical chairs and it all changes but somehow remains the same.
Many years ago, I said that to reporter Jimmy Breslin. He replied, "what? When Nixon was President John Mitchell was the AG and put students like you in jail. If Humphrey had won, Ramsey Clark would have been AG and been on your side." There is indeed a difference.
 
Old 06-16-2013, 07:06 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Many years ago, I said that to reporter Jimmy Breslin. He replied, "what? When Nixon was President John Mitchell was the AG and put students like you in jail. If Humphrey had won, Ramsey Clark would have been AG and been on your side." There is indeed a difference.
It's funny how before someone's in office they talk about how different they're going to be if elected then when they do get in office the majority of what they touted as their differences seem to fall by the wayside and it remains status quo or the status quo and what they rallied against is expanded.

If,if,if. "If's" are great but mean absolutely nothing when it comes to elected office nowadays. What's that saying? Oh yeah, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
 
Old 06-16-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What are you even talking about? We don't have elections? Seems to me that every second year we have elections and power changes hands quite often, which counters your assertion that it's the status quo. The right-wing can't have it both ways. It can't claim that President Obama is a radical, bent upon destroying the country and at the same time claim he is a product of the status quo.

All Senators, except Sen. Russ Feingold, voted for the Patriot Act. Now, the same Senators that voted for it are now complaining that the President is using the power that they themselves granted him. If these schmuckos were worried about potential abuses, that was the time not to enable them.
And one who cried the loudest about Bush "abusing" his authority is now in that very seat telling us not worry.
That would be Obama back in 2003 when he was a Senator.
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