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Old 06-09-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The traitors are the people in government that trample the rights of Americans
And those who make excuses for the government and the sins they commit.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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For a government that is supposed to be of, for, and by the people, the fewer secrets the closer to that being true it becomes.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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I did nothing wrong... but I ran off to Hong Kong to watch the damage and now I'm thinking about seeking asylum in Iceland.

Right, I get it.
You don't have to have done something wrong to be chased, ask George Zimmerman.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Exactly. What was the motivation? If it was to show our spy agencies violating our own laws then he did right.
A crook is the bad guy, but a crooked cop even worse.
I struggle with the concept of trusting professional liars like politicians and their appointees to look out for our best interests. I can trust them to look out for their own. Their best interests and mine often are nothing alike.
Members of Congress were warning as well.
And everyone was sworn to secrecy so they couldn't even call this out if they wanted to.

All the internet companies say they provided no DIRECT access.
Very carefully worded.
If they were under the same type of court order then they were forbidden to acknowledge the government was getting records every day.

Getting EVERYONE's records on a daily basis..phone and internet.

Government..too big to trust.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:11 PM
 
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He's still in the same situation as Assange. Hillary was rabid about getting him.
You can bet Clapper feels the same way since he just told Congress in March that the NSA was NOT collecting data on Americans.

You should be more outraged at your government lying to you about what they are doing.
Your government has lied to your face about this "War on Terror".
I do not think you have been paying attention to my posts. Why do people assume a position out of someone because they make a singular statement about something?

I've went on and on about the government lying to us. I simply think that Assange is more of a publicity ***** than any sort of "hero".
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Three cheers for the next "Julian Assange".
Either you believe that there shouldn't be any government secrets... none, or recognize that no government in the history of mankind can operate without them. If the latter is the case, no government can function without secrets then, who gets to decide who or under what circumstances such a disclosure are to be made?
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Seeing that he blew the whistle on the evils of an overreaching government, I laud this man. Government is here to serve us, not the other way around.
My faith in my fellow Americans is slowly being restored thanks to brave patriots like Mr. Eric Snowden.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:15 PM
 
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Either you believe that there shouldn't be any government secrets... none, or recognize that no government in the history of mankind can operate without them. If the latter is the case, no government can function without secrets then who gets to decide and what is the criteria that makes a disclosure okay?
Where it comes to targeting it's own citizens there should be none. There should be checks and balances in every instance when it comes to American citizens.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Exactly. What was the motivation? If it was to show our spy agencies violating our own laws then he did right.
A crook is the bad guy, but a crooked cop even worse.
I struggle with the concept of trusting professional liars like politicians and their appointees to look out for our best interests. I can trust them to look out for their own. Their best interests and mine often are nothing alike.
There is no evidence at all that the government was violating "our own laws". In fact, it appears that they took pains to be certain that Patriot Act provisions were adhered to. If you don't like the law, then use legal means of repealing it. A nation where anyone who has a grudge or a cause to champion is free to release classified information to the press is going to find its security in serious jeopardy. However noble you may find his intentions, he committed a felony in divulging classified information. He deserves punishment.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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I don't condone the administrations searches but certainly this guy is no hero.
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