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Old 06-11-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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The devil, as usual, is in the details which you failed to read.
You failed to comprehend, you mean.

Why don't you go back and read it again?
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:27 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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stop it, you'll just confuse them.

LOL!
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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That would be a gun exporter registration system. As the treaty is about regulating INTERNATIONAL arms trade.
If it stopped there, you would be right. But it does not stop with merely recording the weapons exported.
"Each State Party shall submit annually to the Secretariat by 31 May a report for the preceding calendar year concerning authorized or actual exports and imports of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1). Reports shall be made available, and distributed to States Parties by the Secretariat. The report submitted to the Secretariat may contain the same information submitted by the State Party to relevant United Nations frameworks, including the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms." --- Arms Trade Treaty, Article 13(3).
If you buy a firearm made in another nation (one that has signed this treaty) then they are require to keep information concerning the sale for a minimum of a decade. Furthermore, once per year that nation must provide the UN with a list of those foreign purchases, which are shared by the UN with all other member nations. That makes it firearm registration for any firearm a private individual imports into the US.

Those records will include: the quantity, value, model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), conventional arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s), importing State(s), transit and trans-shipment State(s), and end users, as appropriate.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If it stopped there, you would be right.
Actually, it does stop there, and he is right.

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If you buy a firearm made in another nation (one that has signed this treaty) then they are require to keep information concerning the sale for a minimum of a decade.
Ignoring that it has nothing to do with where the gun was made, that would only be if that nation already had laws that required them to keep that information for ten years in the first place. If they do not already have such laws, this treaty does not require them to pass any.

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Furthermore, once per year that nation must provide the UN with a list of those foreign purchases, which are shared by the UN with all other member nations. That makes it firearm registration for any firearm a private individual imports into the US.
Pretending for a nanosecond that there are any significant number of individuals who buy guns overseas as individuals and them import them back into the US, the customs paperwork already required to bring the weapon back into country has no visibility beyond the act of importation. Therefore no, that does not constitute firearm registration at all, since once the importation has taken place, ownership is completely opaque.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The devil, as usual, is in the details which you failed to read.
I've read and reread it.

What you claim is there is simply, objectively, not there.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Is the second amendment really that important when the first and fourth are being practically redacted?
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why on earth would a nation that has 1 gun for every resident be concerned about the importing of arms from other nations, the focus of the treaty was preventing the arming of terrorists in other countries, nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Why on earth would a nation that has 1 gun for every resident be concerned about the importing of arms from other nations, the focus of the treaty was preventing the arming of terrorists in other countries, nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
Oh Shush! Let people make fools of themselves, please.
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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The treaty has exactly nothing whatsoever to do with the 2nd Amendment.
The 2nd amendment doesn't apply to other countries, so not sure why gun nuts are going crazy.

Nowhere does the 2nd amendment say you have the right to run guns to warlords in Somalia
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Why on earth would a nation that has 1 gun for every resident be concerned about the importing of arms from other nations, the focus of the treaty was preventing the arming of terrorists in other countries, nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.
Yet it has everything to do with the Second Amendment, which is why 130 Congress critters (Republican and Democrats alike) refuse to support this treaty. This is just another backdoor registration scheme by anti-Americans, like Obama.
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