Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Can't respect a guy that takes a dump and then runs away like a scared baby. Then he goes for help to countries run by dictators. The China thing put him over the line into traitior territory. Why did he do that? He has allegiance to China because they honor the privacy of their citizens? Gimme a break! The guy's a jackass.
It's not like he could have told his story from prison. It's hardly unthinkable that this administration would have tried pulling the same crap as the Bush administration and saying he had no due process rights and that they could hold him indefinitely.
The government has been making their own bed here with their continual arguments against people's constitutional rights.
For those of you who are thinking "Oh my God he is such a traitor telling them this!!" You need to know that if you had followed the Alt news and/or even mainstream news from the past 5 plus years, you would have known that- CHINA ALREADY KNEW! China has also previously accused the US of their spying.
Quit buying into the propaganda.
China did know. We all know that all the countries spy on each other and then complain they are being spied on. What we were not able to verify until now was that the government was unconstitutionally spying on us.
There were politicians that knew and they are far more of a traitor to this country than Snowden.
Wrong. The reason he's being prosecuted was because he broke the law. If he truly believed what he did was for the benefit of his nation, then he would turn himself in and plead his case before the court. If I rob a bank & say the bank is miss using the depositors money, do you think I would be given a pass?
And NO, before you ask, I didn't defend Bradley Manning either.
It seems (so far) so did the U.S. government by spying on it's own people and being so lax about protecting the information that's supposedly "highly classified". Gross negligence comes to mind with respect to the latter.
If anything Snowden is guilty of taking and releasing information that is highly embarrassing to the U.S. government that talks out of both sides of it's mouth. They didn't want our supposed "friends" to know we're deep inside their government and corporations, they didn't really want the public to know, not that they could look at every little part of your life but that they can,have and do on a daily basis. They certainly don't want it to come out "if" any of this covert spying was used for political purposes. My guess is that's their biggest worry, either meddling in other countries elections and such and/or our own being exposed.
What's that they say about absolute power and corruption?
IF there are history books 100 years from now, I expect Snowden, Assange, and Manning will be considered heroes.
As statement that is meaningless, beyond the context of your own mind. It is like someone picking out one of today's fresh new music artists, and claiming that that artist's music will be consider a classic 100 years from now. It really isn't an expectation, as you claim, but at this point, just a hope. You like Snowden - message received - but he's a spy. He violated the law and made our nation less safe - and why? - to pander to what is little more than a teenage fantasy of how things should be. I think we'll be in big trouble if Snowden is in history books 100 years from now.
As statement that is meaningless, beyond the context of your own mind. It is like someone picking out one of today's fresh new music artists, and claiming that that artist's music will be consider a classic 100 years from now. It really isn't an expectation, as you claim, but at this point, just a hope. You like Snowden - message received - but he's a spy. He violated the law and made our nation less safe - and why? - to pander to what is little more than a teenage fantasy of how things should be. I think we'll be in big trouble if Snowden is in history books 100 years from now.
We already are in big trouble, you just haven't realized it yet. How does it feel to believe that your security is more important than anyone else's rights or freedoms? How does it feel to think that those that would do us harm are so stupid as to not realize (by now) that they're being watched through a proctoscope?
Keep touting that government propaganda if it allows you to sleep soundly at night.
We already are in big trouble, you just haven't realized it yet.
Where's that tin foil hat graphic?
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimj
How does it feel to believe that your security is more important than anyone else's rights or freedoms?
I wouldn't know, since what I've been talking about is how your security is more important than your ridiculously overblown concern about having lost rights or freedoms. Your whole argument hinges on some puerile conception of liberty that never existed, never was promised, and never was rational, but folks like Snowden advocate and defend that perversely corrupted conception to the death, like the prototypical "angry young man".
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimj
Keep touting that government propaganda if it allows you to sleep soundly at night.
This guy needs to be taken out "by accident" of course. Too much time has been wasted trying to get him back to the US. He is in possession of stolen material which jeopardizes national security, and is basically shopping around for the highest bidder.
This guy needs to be taken out "by accident" of course. Too much time has been wasted trying to get him back to the US. He is in possession of stolen material which jeopardizes national security, and is basically shopping around for the highest bidder.
Yeah, we can use one of the fearless leaders many drones!
Who (other than you) says he's trying to sell anything? Who, other than some talking heads (who think they know) knows what he really has?
Sen. Feinstein has publicly stated that Snowden needs to be caught so "we can find out exactly what he has". Evidently they don't KNOW what's missing.
Kind of truncates your argument.
Snowden (the leaker) tells the Chinese about US surveillance on China
What I find hilarious is, no one knows what has been "leaked"
Propaganda!
This is what the Government and their gate keepers(media) want you to believe. So the public hates him.
There is no proof that he has told the Chinese anything.
It is well known we hack and are hacked. We have known this little tid bit for years now and the Chinese the same. It is on the down low. Snowden didn't expose this. It has been exposed long ago.
They are using it to create hate toward Snowden, for exposing them and their unconstitutional ways.
Those that think he is a hero, out number those that think he is a traitor 2, to 1, or 2/3rds
The only danger he has created, is the danger those in high places will be jailed for crimes against the Constitution.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
