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Old 06-16-2013, 11:28 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Originally Posted by KUchief25 View Post
Yea and we will all be lining up for bread and vodka. Yippee.
Solar, geothermal, and other alternative energy corporations will take the oil corporations place.


And in reality the republicans will start the lines for the bread and vodka.

Reagan did supply side cuts and grew our national debt.
GW Bush did supply side cuts and grew our national debt (now we have to cut government programs.)

The following is what is going to form the bread and vodka lines (and republicans live their lives to get it.)

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress

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Old 06-16-2013, 11:37 PM
 
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So they aren't evil corporations just the oil companies? They don't pollute the earth? You greenies are so fare gone it's scary.....LOL.........

Solar industry grapples with hazardous wastes

Oh and in case you missed it Romney lost the election. You best just click on back another page and get to blaming Bush.
 
Old 06-17-2013, 05:51 AM
 
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yeah **** the environment. Let the future generations worry about that right?
Can you provide, as a lawyer, definitive evidence that man-made CO2 does ANYTHING to the environment?

I am a conservative, but am also concerned about the envioronment. Limiting output of sulfer dioxide and other airborne pollutants as well as controlling water borne waste is critical. We recycle EVERYTHING.

However, there is no current evidence that man-made CO2 output does ANYTHING to the environment. Increased methane and water vapor is more of a "pollutant" in altering temperature. Until that evidence is presented, the presumption of CO2 being a pollutant is speculation at best.

I would think, as an attorney, you would know better.
 
Old 06-17-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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what's the social cost of regressive energy price increases? Talk about voting against your economic interests...

Sometimes the best way to breed pigeons is to feed them selective truths. Obama made it clear that under his agenda "energy prices would necessarily rise"

This is a promise he kept. Even in the face of a domestic energy boom, prices have remained high. To keep prices from coming down, we are going to start exporting much of the oil/LNG. They just approved a 1bcf per day LNG exporting program.
Moniz: Department of Energy Will Move ‘Expeditiously’ On LNG Exports | StateImpact Pennsylvania

Now they've confirmed a new energy czar (Moniz) who said: "his agency will move “expeditiously” to evaluate applications for more liquefied natural gas (LNG) export facilities." This even as the manufacturers are saying they need 5 years to catch up to the glut.
Dow, ConocoPhillips Spar Over LNG Exports - Forbes


So we are placing the cart before the horse. Talk about forward thinking. What if the glut turns into a trickle? Either way, they are manipulating prices at the pump and the home meters.
 
Old 06-17-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Can you provide, as a lawyer, definitive evidence that man-made CO2 does
ANYTHING to the environment?
Oh please. Allow me.

For tens of millions of years, Earth's oceans have maintained a relatively stable acidity level. It's within this steady environment that the rich and varied web of life in today's seas has arisen and flourished. But research shows that this ancient balance is being undone by a recent and rapid drop in surface pH that could have devastating global consequences.

Since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the early 1800s, fossil fuel-powered machines have driven an unprecedented burst of human industry and advancement. The unfortunate consequence, however, has been the emission of billions of tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases into Earth's atmosphere.

Scientists now know that about half of this anthropogenic, or man-made, CO2 has been absorbed over time by the oceans. This has benefited us by slowing the climate change these emissions would have instigated if they had remained in the air. But relatively new research is finding that the introduction of massive amounts of CO2 into the seas is altering water chemistry and affecting the life cycles of many marine organisms, particularly those at the lower end of the food chain.

Ocean Acidification -- National Geographic
 
Old 06-17-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Check out this link from NASA, this global warming is nothing to play with.
A Chilling Possibility - NASA Science

We can not allow these oil corporations to destroy this planet. Solar power corporations, geothermal power corporations, and other new energy corporations will take the oil corporations place. Its a combination of capitalism/not destroying this planet.
March 5, 2004: Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That link is 9 years old. A decade later and there's no indication that we are being plunged into an ice age.

The article even says "Global Warming" which is is totally PC now. They're using "climate change" to continue the ability to play both sides of the arguement. If it goes into an ice age then it's global warming, and if it heats up then it's global warming. There's no contrary POV in their POV. Funny how that works.

P.S. hey weltschmerz ...ignore is your friend!
 
Old 06-22-2013, 03:28 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Can you provide, as a lawyer, definitive evidence that man-made CO2 does ANYTHING to the environment?

I am a conservative, but am also concerned about the envioronment. Limiting output of sulfer dioxide and other airborne pollutants as well as controlling water borne waste is critical. We recycle EVERYTHING.

However, there is no current evidence that man-made CO2 output does ANYTHING to the environment. Increased methane and water vapor is more of a "pollutant" in altering temperature. Until that evidence is presented, the presumption of CO2 being a pollutant is speculation at best.

I would think, as an attorney, you would know better.
I provide 2 sources from NASA bellow. The first source proves scientifically that man made global warming is happening. The second source shows one possible danger from global warming.

Climate Change: Consensus

A Chilling Possibility - NASA Science


Can you provide any sources to show your claims ??

Note: 9 out of 10 scientists who say man made global warming is not happening, are being paid by ExxonbMobile (if we do something about global warming ExxonMobile loses money.) Listing sources financed by ExxonMobile would be a conflict of interest.


Will you post sources backing up your claims, or will you forget all of this and run, so you can keep posting Fox news, Rush radio, and ExxonMobile corporate lies ??

I look forward to the presentation of your evidence.

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Old 06-22-2013, 03:47 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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March 5, 2004: Global warming could plunge North America and Western Europe into a deep freeze, possibly within only a few decades.

That link is 9 years old. A decade later and there's no indication that we are being plunged into an ice age.

The article even says "Global Warming" which is is totally PC now. They're using "climate change" to continue the ability to play both sides of the arguement. If it goes into an ice age then it's global warming, and if it heats up then it's global warming. There's no contrary POV in their POV. Funny how that works.

P.S. hey weltschmerz ...ignore is your friend!
How could global warming plunge North America into a deep freeze ?
Or are you posting about a subject you know (absolutely) nothing about, and unable to answer this question ?

And what is your evidence that there is no indication that NASA is correct ?


Can you answer the above questions, or are you just pretending to know about these things, and then posting made up lies??

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Old 06-22-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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I would like to see more studying and information on these types of environmental issues.
Fukushima Radiation Tracked Across Pacific Ocean | Japan Nuclear ...

Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland ...
 
Old 06-22-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Can you provide, as a lawyer, definitive evidence that man-made CO2 does ANYTHING to the environment?

I am a conservative, but am also concerned about the envioronment. Limiting output of sulfer dioxide and other airborne pollutants as well as controlling water borne waste is critical. We recycle EVERYTHING.

However, there is no current evidence that man-made CO2 output does ANYTHING to the environment. Increased methane and water vapor is more of a "pollutant" in altering temperature. Until that evidence is presented, the presumption of CO2 being a pollutant is speculation at best.

I would think, as an attorney, you would know better.
We have to cut back on CO2 or the poor trees are going to meet a 12 step program
From absorbing so much and converting it to O2.
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