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Old 06-12-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Obama Partners With Mexico to Boost US Food Stamp Use – Even Though Most Illegal Immigrants Collect Welfare
There is a reason for food stamp use, the food stamp cards are made by Morgan-Chase. Bankers have our government by the balls.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:17 PM
 
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Lefties suffer from the soft racism of low expectations.

Expect more from people and you'll get more from them.

This fact is borne out by the reality that more people expect government handouts, so more people get them.

See how that works?
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?
Hunger is a powerful motivator. People capable of working should work for their food and other necessities.

And you can't eliminate anything over night. It can be done over an extended period of time.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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Lefties suffer from the soft racism of low expectations.

Expect more from people and you'll get more from them.

This fact is borne out by the reality that more people expect government handouts, so more people get them.

See how that works?
It's not only the lefties. The entire government thinks lowly of it's voters.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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I think many people on welfare already do have jobs, they're called the working poor. Many people on welfare are probably also uneducated. Perhaps we should start with education first, that might decrease the need in the future.
Last time I checked we had free education for everyone.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Last time I checked we had free education for everyone.
We have access to knowledge. The problem is developing a culture that takes advantage of this access to knowledge. What I mean by that, is that parents ought to care about their kids and make sure they do their homework. Until you can get people to care about developing themselves as a person and enduring hard work, you will not see the countries full potential.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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Alot of the poor had kids they can't afford or lost their job and can't afford their kids. The rest are seniors that planned their retirement around SS and medicare. No short term solution I'm afraid.
True, but there is a long term solution.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?

Conservatives have mixed expectations in this area. Conservative George Gilder, in Wealth and Poverty (1984), noted that recipients of state General Assistance (GA) programs (basically, childless adults not eligible for federal welfare programs) tend to be poorly qualified for employment; Gilder described many GA recipients as "halt and lame". Gilder had no expectation that cutting back or eliminating GA programs would move recipients from the dole into jobs.

In 1991, the newly elected governor of Michigan quickly delivered on his campaign promise to end the state's GA program, which paid recipients not quite $200 per month. Recipients also had some bare-bones version of Medicaid called "GA Medicaid" - which for some was undoubtedly more attractive than the cash benefits.

A year later, one of the major newspapers attempted to find out what happened to the former recipients. As best they could tell, about 17 percent of the former recipients had jobs, many others had moved back into their parents' basement or went on disability (sound familiar?) which actually paid much better than GA ever did, or could not be found. Two former recipients were found dead after the abandoned house in which they were squatting had a fire in the middle of the winter.
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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Last time I checked we had free education for everyone.

Where do I sign up?
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Old 06-12-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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The thing is the working poor do not have ENOUGH jobs. They are underemployed, their minimum wage doesn't support them enough to keep them off welfare.
If you'd stop taxing businesses to the point that they need to move their factories overseas, there would be plenty of jobs
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