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Old 06-13-2013, 03:41 PM
 
Location: AZ
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and perhaps that needs to be addressed. I myself am not gay but can understand that gay people can fall in love just as straight people do.
The gay sponsor should be required to follow the same protocols/ procedures as a straight couple might for a fiancee visa
bingo!!!

 
Old 06-13-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I bet they punt. The Supreme court is often a coward in that way.
I think on Prop 8. The country simply isn't ready for compelling states to offer gay marriage. The court will leave it to the states for now with a narrow ruling only affecting California - which will get SSM. But DOMA is dead, IMO.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Yes, if their demands cause the bill to fail, because then the 99% who are not in a gay marriage will pay the price for the damage caused by the small minority. Also, you still do not seem to understand that such law would contradict the current laws of the US, and therefore it would be an illegal law.
How so? If the bill says that same sex partners can sponsor their partner, then no current law is contradicted.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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How so? If the bill says that same sex partners can sponsor their partner, then no current law is contradicted.
Such bill would mean the federal government recognizes gay marriage, while the government does not.

Maybe it is better to just bag the whole bill. It's going to be a waste of time when all special interests and pork is piled on top of it, and no one will be able to agree on anything.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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I think on Prop 8. The country simply isn't ready for compelling states to offer gay marriage. The court will leave it to the states for now with a narrow ruling only affecting California - which will get SSM. But DOMA is dead, IMO.
Maybe but to me that is a punt. Leaving it up to the states does not address the issue.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Such bill would mean the federal government recognizes gay marriage, while the government does not.

Maybe it is better to just bag the whole bill. It's going to be a waste of time when all special interests and pork is piled on top of it, and no one will be able to agree on anything.
Beside that, there is no way the House passes it.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Such bill would mean the federal government recognizes gay marriage, while the government does not.

Maybe it is better to just bag the whole bill. It's going to be a waste of time when all special interests and pork is piled on top of it, and no one will be able to agree on anything.
Not if it didn't use the word spouse, or marriage.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Personally I am against any bill that gives the illegals a head of line pass, free pass or any path that rewards their crimes.
Reform is needed as the system is slow redundant and clumsy. It also denies equal rights to all citizens.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Not if it didn't use the word spouse, or marriage.
A "friend" maybe? Or "the guy I have sex with"? If it is not spouse, then you are actually creating special treatment for people just because they say they are gay.
 
Old 06-13-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Pa
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A "friend" maybe? Or "the guy I have sex with"? If it is not spouse, then you are actually creating special treatment for people just because they say they are gay.
There is a fiancee VISA program. So no it would not be special treatment. K-1 VISa if I am not mistaken
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